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  • #16
    Originally posted by bainpj View Post
    BTW thanks for the phone conversation yesterday. Very helpful indeed! I am trying to convince Mandy to get the the second hand unit from you but its not looking good at all.
    Hi bainpj- My pleasure!

    Just to clarify, its this one: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/coffee-har...v1-1600-a.html

    We're just assisting the seller by allowing it to leave it with us in Melbourne. When he tells us it's sold, we release it to the buyer.

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    • #17
      Yeah that's the one. Sorry I meant you simply because you have it with you. Any communication goes through the seller. Understand that

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Robbks View Post
        ....there may be some "wiggle room" in their pricing. EOFY stocktakes and all that....
        I'll put that one to all of our suppliers. I suspect I might be told to "wiggle off".

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
          I'll put that one to all of our suppliers. I suspect I might be told to "wiggle off".
          Just tell 'em to "Wake up Jeff!"

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          • #20
            I didn't realise that the Giotto Rocket was a lever machine... I have only ever used semi automatics, both domestic and commercial machines.

            Is the lever just like flicking a switch or is it a lot more involved? Like OFF = down, ON = up? Just thinking of my wife who will use the machine every now and then. From what I can figure out the position of the lever sets the volume of water flowing through the puck, so depending on how far the lever is lifted can change the volume. Is this the case?

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            • #21
              The lever only activates a micro-switch to turn on the pump

              Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
              I'll put that one to all of our suppliers. I suspect I might be told to "wiggle off".
              Without customers or retailers, the suppliers don't make any money.
              Wholesalers need to wiggle more..

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Robbks View Post
                The lever only activates a micro-switch to turn on the pump


                Without customers or retailers, the suppliers don't make any money.
                Wholesalers need to wiggle more..
                Yes- end users will often say that with little/no understanding of Australian cost structures.

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                • #23
                  Australian cost structure

                  OS Parts Manufacturer > OS Manufacturer > OS Wholesaler > AU Importer > AU Wholesaler > AU Distributor (some occasions) > AU Retailer

                  +20% or more for every time it changes hands.

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                  • #24
                    Its only my opinion, but I think that people who demonstrate by virtue of their posts, that they dont actually have the benefit of being IN the coffee machine manufacture, selling and distribution "industry", OR direct experience and understanding of (can also be read as "dont have a clue"), probably should refrain from making nonsense observations .

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Robbks View Post
                      The lever only activates a micro-switch to turn on the pump
                      Ah ok, sweet! Fears dismissed, the wife will be able to use it! :P

                      Super keen to get it... I may be able to get insurance on my old machine. Currently trying to organise an authorised repairer to certify that it is the heater element. Which is really annoying as my expertise is electronics so I would know far more about it that most repairers would. But I guess the insurance company needs the transparency which is fair enough. The insurance money would be a huge help in convincing the wife to free the funds towards the Giotto. I am not so sure it will fit on our bench real well, but given how awesome it looks I am sure I can squeeze it on somehow.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by bainpj View Post
                        .....I may be able to get insurance on my old machine. Currently trying to organise an authorised repairer to certify that it is the heater element. Which is really annoying as my expertise is electronics so I would know far more about it that most repairers would.....
                        From my own point of view, its really annoying when the expertise of professional espresso machine repairers is so often discounted or denigrated in forums by people that dont repair espresso machines for a living, who are looking in from the safety of their different and often unrelated professions .

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by bainpj View Post
                          Ah ok, sweet! Fears dismissed, the wife will be able to use it! :P
                          She just needs to be aware of the process of flushing the group head if the machine has been on for a while,
                          otherwise you'll be dumping 100+ degree water into the puck and ruining the shot.

                          One of the reasons I chose a PID controlled Dual Boiler machine (idiot proofing )

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Robbks View Post
                            She just needs to be aware of the process of flushing the group head if the machine has been on for a while,
                            otherwise you'll be dumping 100+ degree water into the puck and ruining the shot.
                            Err, no. If it's properly setup (which if it was originally sold by Talk_Coffee, it will be) all you need to do is a quick purge (flip on, flip off). No "cooling flush" required.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by TOK View Post
                              From my own point of view, its really annoying when the expertise of professional espresso machine repairers is so often discounted or denigrated in forums by people that dont repair espresso machines for a living, who are looking in from the safety of their different and often unrelated professions .
                              Yes and no... I am an electronics engineer, so definitely not different or unrelated... I have been designing and repairing all sorts of electronics for over 14 years. If I can't figure out if a thermostat or heating element are working or not I shouldn't be in a job :P A Silvia is a very simple design electronically. However, the pressures and flow side of things yes, I am all ears as that is out of my area of expertise and something I have never really dabbled in, but that's not the problem in my machine.

                              In case anyone was offended by my comment, I am not discounting or denigrating any profession, simply annoyed that I would have to pay someone for a letter stating what I already know and am qualified to test.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Robbks View Post
                                She just needs to be aware of the process of flushing the group head if the machine has been on for a while,
                                otherwise you'll be dumping 100+ degree water into the puck and ruining the shot.

                                One of the reasons I chose a PID controlled Dual Boiler machine (idiot proofing )
                                Misinformation and I wish people wouldn't regurgitate this 10 year old stuff. Times change and well manufactured espresso machines operate correctly. We don't deal in brands that don't and I'm pretty certain that statement applies to all sponsors here. We sell machines which are manufactured and calibrated for the Australian market. So do the others.

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