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  • Kollier
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    Bain
    How is Giotto Rocket? Worthed?
    How much we should pay more for Giotto?

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  • bainpj
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    Well after missing out on the Giotto Rocket on here by 1 day I found one locally and am picking it up this weekend! One of the older ones with the half circle pressure gauge but in absolute mint condition. Owned by a guy who services coffee machines since new and he has just done a full service on it (seals, washers, pistons etc). Right at the top end of the budget (well a bit more to tell the truth) but a much better machine that what I was originally looking at. Just a tad excited!!!

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  • Dragunov21
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    Originally posted by jammer View Post
    obviously no affiliation
    Obviously... nice first post, btw.

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  • jammer
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    fwiw, i recently bought an ecm casa iv
    from espresso connect.
    got the shelf model for 990.. retails for 1295
    gotta say, its pretty fantastic.
    obviously no affiliation, just saying.
    if you search on here there is a test between it and the silvia....
    i reckon it smashes it

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  • Hildy
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    Originally posted by Dragunov21 View Post
    The electrical switch is a microswitch. It is activated when the lever is at ~50% throw. This (roughly) coincides with the point at which the exhaust port is closed and the brew port is opened.
    Mine's got a good 20 degrees of throw between port opening and switch actuation. Looking at it more closely, the amount of throw before the switch is actuated is adjustable on my machine.

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  • mentasm
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    When my Silvia dies I will be heading down the Giotto Rocket path... I think I'll have to wait another 8 or so years for it to die though .......*sigh*

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  • bainpj
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    Thanks TOK! I have had my eye on that one. Right now I'm going through the process of putting a claim in through insurance. They think I will be able to claim on the Silvia. If I can do that then I really want to try to get the Giotto as I think it's a much nicer looking machine (read wife looks approval) and the lever action is starting to intrigue me! If not I will be looking at the cheaper options again...

    Just checked some measurements and the Boema machine is too big for the space we have available. The Giotto (which is still a fairly large machine) will be a squash as it is...
    Last edited by bainpj; 30 May 2014, 12:09 PM.

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  • jbrewster
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    Originally posted by Robbks View Post
    same thing.
    on/ off is moving water from the HX and through the group is it not?
    For starters it's not "my" procedure, it is a recommendation from the importer (ECA, refer to their training videos).

    The quantity of water we l we're talking about here is minimal, maybe 5-10ml (i've never bothered to measure) which shouldn't be enough to substantialy influence the temp of water in a well behaved HX.

    I gather the purpose of this "flush" is to purge the passages downstream from the valve to avoid pushing air through your puck.

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  • TOK
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    Originally posted by bainpj View Post
    ....my faithful Silvia finally died......I could get another Silvia..... but it was not the easiest machine. Temperature surfing for consistent results was a bit annoying and it was useless entertaining. But it’s cheap compared to an upgrade....

    .......Uses: Mainly milk drinks with the odd espresso. Occasional hot chocolate for visitors so hot water would be good but not a must.

    ......We entertain quite a bit which is the main reason why i am looking at something other than another Silvia.

    I have a K3 Touch grinder.....

    ..........Any experience or thoughts? The more I read the more confused I get!

    I thought I could find a second hand machine, but they seem few and far between and still quite expensive!

    Thanks in advance for the help!
    Pete
    Requirements as per this quote taken from your original post?
    On a budget?
    Absolutely cant stretch it to the TalkCoffee offer in post #16 above?
    Then take a look at this:
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/coffee-har...hine-sale.html

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  • Dimal
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    Just to head back to the OP's original question...

    From a 'Bang-for-Buck' perspective, it is very difficult to go past the Simonelli Oscar. Lots of very satisfied owners here on CS and if the urge ever took you, it would not be a difficult exercise to further improve on some aspects of its design post warranty period, especially given your engineering background.

    Mal.

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  • Mouldy
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    Originally posted by Hildy View Post
    Can I ask how an E61 HX machine is calibrated such that you don't need a flush, yet remains temperature stable?
    I don't pretend to know the answer, but I suspect boiler pressure setting and thermosiphon restrictions are key to achieving required group and shot temperature; however I suspect there is a trade off between achieving a balance that requires little flushing and a setup that permits high volume usage (i.e quick recovery).

    If you search for thermosiphon restrictions you will find lots of E61 related info, including fixed and variable restriction options.

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  • TC
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    Originally posted by bainpj View Post
    Has this mod been done to the Giotto you have there?
    Nope- not required beyond Premium Plus variant. Our Giotto stock has all arrived in the last couple of weeks- all V3 and Evoluzione.

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  • bainpj
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    Has this mod been done to the Giotto you have there?

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  • TC
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    Originally posted by Hildy View Post
    Can I ask how an E61 HX machine is calibrated such that you don't need a flush, yet remains temperature stable?
    Sure thing. When you'd like to make an offer I can't refuse for the business so as to keep me permanently in the manner I'll become accustomed to, we'll happily hand over all of our I.P
    Last edited by TC; 29 May 2014, 06:24 PM.

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  • Dragunov21
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    Originally posted by bainpj View Post
    So is it JUST a micro switch or is there actually some smarts involved? I was under the impression that the lever offered more control than simply on/off (based purely of watching people pull shots on you tube!)
    The electrical switch is a microswitch. It is activated when the lever is at ~50% throw. This (roughly) coincides with the point at which the exhaust port is closed and the brew port is opened.

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