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  • I am weary with confusion! Is the Sunbeam EM6910 a POS?

    G'day CSers! I'm new to website so please excuse my ignorance!

    Like many of you, I'm looking to invest a mid-level machine but, after spending days reading wonderful reviews from this site and others, I'm left feeling no clearer than when I set out. It seems for every positive review, there's one equally opposing.

    Here's my situation:

    1) originally I was looking at the Gaggia Classic. Then ultimately I read it's a POS

    2) then I started looking at the EM6910. Then ultimately I read it's a POS. I found it new on ebay for $499 which is $300 cleaper than the RRP on the website. Is this a deal which is too good to miss?

    3) Brevilles seem to be hit and miss.

    Sigh.

    I have a good grinder so really I've just after a machine. I'm interested in a long and fruitful love affair with my espresso machine, not a pash and dash. What is the truth behind all of the conjecture?

    Sincerely

    bgoo

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    Originally posted by Bgoo View Post

    2) then I started looking at the EM6910. Then ultimately I read it's a POS. I found it new on ebay for $499 which is $300 cleaper than the RRP on the website. Is this a deal which is too good to miss?
    you do know that the 6910 has been superceded by the EM7000 ?
    There have been some good reviews of this m/c and also some reports of big discounts at times.

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    • #3
      Yiu coikd score yourself a second hand hx machine .... would bw on the higher end say #$1500-$1700

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      • #4
        Well, one mans POS is another mans shovel.

        I would consider all of the machines you've mentioned to be low end, rather than mid range; perhaps that is the source of your dilemma?

        If you're expectations of the machine are not consistent with the reality, dissatisfaction is likely inevitable

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        • #5
          Heheh yeah I don't think those machines are necessarily POS, I made a lovely shot on my gaggia at work today!

          Each machine will have some significant cons until you start hitting HX territory of >$2000

          How much are you willing to spend? Also, what grinder have ya got?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bgoo View Post
            G'day CSers! I'm new to website so please excuse my ignorance!

            Like many of you, I'm looking to invest a mid-level machine but, after spending days reading wonderful reviews from this site and others, I'm left feeling no clearer than when I set out. It seems for every positive review, there's one equally opposing.

            Here's my situation:

            1) originally I was looking at the Gaggia Classic. Then ultimately I read it's a POS

            2) then I started looking at the EM6910. Then ultimately I read it's a POS. I found it new on ebay for $499 which is $300 cleaper than the RRP on the website. Is this a deal which is too good to miss?

            3) Brevilles seem to be hit and miss.

            Sigh.

            I have a good grinder so really I've just after a machine. I'm interested in a long and fruitful love affair with my espresso machine, not a pash and dash. What is the truth behind all of the conjecture?

            Sincerely

            bgoo
            Hi bgoo

            Unfortunately, CSr's vary from realistic / practical to "anything less than a 3 group ep Strada ($21K in Oz the other day) is not worth having".

            Given a good grinder*, even a gaggia classic (if that is the cheap "standard 58mm commercial group head one" a friend of mine bought a couple of years back) will make a stunning cuppa as long as you persist in getting it to work at its best. Know your machine (the 4 coffee M's).

            I had two GS3's "pre divorce" in the US and returned to OZ flat broke "post legal screwing". I could only afford a 6910: clearly not a GS3, however it can still make a damn good coffee. When it played up (5 place @ Rock stuffed up a simple warranty repair by using a 6900 collar "wrong part" and refused to back their work), I bought a second 6910 as it was still all I could afford. Finally my 2 group La Pav came back into my life and I was stunned to find that the 6910 can match it as long as I take care. Then I found a repairer to repair the messed up 6910, so I now have it as well. Meanwhile the La Pav is forever banned from the house due to noise, size, need for "plumbing in" & a 15amp power socket. I don't miss it.

            The medium $$$ machines (say $1500 to $6K) are a lot easier to use, however I personally am not looking to upgrade to any of the more expensive machines until I can move to a bigger kitchen and get another GS3** as none of the other ones provide much more than extra tolerance against snafus (my opinion only). The forced necessity to work on & improve my own technique means I am actually capable of making better coffee than when the earlier machines did all the "heavy lifting".

            FWIW, I would suggest you buy whatever you can afford, work on your technique and enjoy the journey and the resulting cuppas. Remember, your tinkering will be rewarded long term as well as you will actually know what you are doing with espresso coffees. Never a bad thing!

            TampIt
            * Getting a Mahlkonig Vario and using naked p/f & VST baskets would make a bigger difference than any change later in the chain AFAIAC. YMMV.
            **unless some other mob makes a better, smaller GS3 type machine for a sane price! If so, if it can fit in my small kitchen, where do I sign?

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            • #7
              Hi Bgoo, I bought my mother the sunbeam and have pulled countless good shots on it. You can happily pull a shot and steam a small jug of milk at the same time.
              If you have a decent grinder and this is the machine your budget allows for shop around and ensure you screw them down on price, get a great deal and go home and make great coffee.
              I have far more expensive equipment and continue to be surprised by how well the Sunbeam does.

              Chester

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              • #8
                I won't have my Classic called a POS!

                But I assume that your budget keeps you out of Silvia territory?

                No actually, bloody hell. There's a Classic available somewhere for under $100 at the moment. Take a punt, don't let anyone sell you a double wall basket, descale often & enjoy.

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                • #9
                  I've had a very pleasant 15 months with an EM6910 that I got 2nd hand and recently upgraded to an EM7000 - I have to say the only coffee I have had that is clearly better than what I make at home is from a 3 group Slayer run by a guy who knows his stuff using personally chosen SO and blends. (depends on whether you want espresso or milk...)

                  That says something about the technique (lousy in many cafés) as well as how much you have to pay to get good coffee.

                  My choice was made because until you get above $2000 for the machine, you are stuck with trying to juggle water for coffee and steam for milk. With the SB's Twin Pump, Twin Thermoblock you can have both for as long as there is water in the tank - there might be a temp issue there somewhere but I have made 7 coffees with two handles/baskets as fast as I could grind them and the last was as good as the first.

                  The only possible competitor for anywhere near the price is the Breville range - and at mor than double the price, from all reports the twin boilers are too small - you run out of grunt after a couple of coffees. I may be wrong on that but it is still circa $700 versus circa $1400.

                  IMO stay away from single boiler jobs - a while back I listed out what the normal single boiler user has to do to get a coffee first thing in the morning - something like 13 steps taking your valuable time - and then you need to make milk... The Sunbeam machines are ready to make lattés about 5 minutes after you turn them on.

                  If price is no object, go HX but if you just want great coffee at a reasonable price, look seriously at the SB machines. Harvey Norman recently had the EM7000 on clearance for $400...

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                  • #10
                    My 6910 was originally my sons.
                    It was not going so he bought a new 6910, he had done about 5-6000 cup in his original one beofre I got it.
                    The fault was a blocked steam thermobloc, a new thermobloc, I fitted it, and it was all going great.
                    Next thing was it needed the new low water sensor, got one from appliances r us.

                    I have had this machine for 3 years, and apart from the above small issues not bad for a 8 year old machine with that many cups through it, and with no maintenance before I got it.

                    It had never even been back flushed.

                    So I do not think it is a POS.

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                    • #11
                      Bgoo,

                      Welcome to CoffeeSnobs.

                      You have to find the machine that will do what you want from it while being within your budget.

                      To make great coffee it is split three ways, the quality of the coffee beans, the ability of the machine and the skill of the operator.

                      By the way, what do you mean by a POS?

                      You say that “Brevilles seem to be hit and miss.” My Breville Dual Boiler, BES900, has been a great hit for the last three years.

                      Barry

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Barry_Duncan View Post
                        Bgoo,

                        Welcome to CoffeeSnobs.

                        You have to find the machine that will do what you want from it while being within your budget.

                        To make great coffee it is split three ways, the quality of the coffee beans, the ability of the machine and the skill of the operator.

                        By the way, what do you mean by a POS?

                        You say that “Brevilles seem to be hit and miss.” My Breville Dual Boiler, BES900, has been a great hit for the last three years.

                        Barry

                        This is confusing me too.
                        What is POS an abbreviation for? I've looked on the net and all I can find is point of sale.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Brevillista View Post
                          This is confusing me too.
                          What is POS an abbreviation for? I've looked on the net and all I can find is point of sale.
                          I like your clean mind. First two words are "piece of"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Journeyman View Post

                            The only possible competitor for anywhere near the price is the Breville range - and at mor than double the price, from all reports the twin boilers are too small - you run out of grunt after a couple of coffees. I may be wrong on that but it is still circa $700 versus circa $1400.
                            Sorry, completely wrong. The temp stability of Breville dual boiler range is quite sophisticated. My BES900 will happily churn out 15 to 20 shots back to back while steaming milk - albeit the steaming is a bit slow but its very consistent and easy to use. Will it do this for 10 plus years...nope, but when i bought it i was aiming for 3 to 4, hence its price. Its all about expectations and it delvers in spades for its price.

                            If you want great espresso based coffee, you need good quality green beans that have been roasted appropriately for the type of espresso you enjoy, most importantly you need a high quality grinder. These two things and a Gaggia classic or Silvia or 6910 ect ect and some attention to detail will make better coffee than you can find in most places. Spend more on the grinder than you would the machine and upgrade MC later if you desire / can.

                            Which brings me to my next point, go out to known quality / consistent cafes, try their espresso and milk drinks, see if they offer the same beans they use for sale to take home, then go straight home and try and replicate what you just enjoyed, or if not make it more to your liking.

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                            • #15
                              My experience with the sunbeam machines has been good overall but no machine last faultlessly forever.
                              my em6910 was great until the steamer thermoblock(boiler) blocked up . I replaced it with an em7000 which is also great and has run without a hitch for 6 months so far.
                              if you can purchase an em6910 new for less than$500 then I suggest go for it. If your budget can stretch to around $740 then get the latest model, the em7000.

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