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  • #16
    Originally posted by mulquemi View Post
    noidle22,
    Thank you for kind offer however,playing with espresso machines in more of a leisure activity for me,having purchased ,on one occasion,five (four em6910's one em6900) of these machines for $80.00 of which you received the only non viable corpse (in bits).
    My present machine had to donate it's two missing parts to allow a collegue's machine to live again,successfully.
    I am very grateful for your offer however,I will probably go the E or Gum way again and pick another sunbeam (or two) at a price too good to refuse.
    Kind regards,
    And Cheers,
    Mick,
    G'day Mick

    Good timing mate. I have to go near CC today anyway, I will see what I can scrounge for you. Yours for the cost of postage if I am successful. FWIW, I do have a used steam pump here together with an "iffy" steam controller knob (both from a 7000). Definitely no 3-way solenoid.

    TampIt

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    • #17
      Tampit,
      Thank you for your consideration,again most appreciated,parts as per the image (above) can't see I would have much use for the em7000 gear unless i can shoehorn them in,to 3690 pack and post ,wouldn't be too expensive ...would it.
      What ever you have I probably use one way or another eventually.
      Cheers,
      Mick.
      Unsure whether you have my address or not otherwise I can Pm' it!

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      • #18
        Poor Sunbeam 6910 (again)

        Hello again,
        Just reporting back with outcome of my rebuild,I was lucky to have one of my earlier 6900's return (exchange for upgrade)which I then gutted for it's steam pump and three way valve and despite the fact this earlier model is slightly different,everything is working with my 6910 again........beautiful coffee again with steam ,steam and more then enough steam.
        This is particular 6910 that went for a fall recently and I advertised it here then moved on to a southern Victorian who didn't like it and eventually returned it for refund,actually couldn't find anything wrong with it at all.This machine actually gave up it's solenoil valve and steam pump,as mentioned earlier.
        I really believe my machine is a little less noisy now,with the replacement of the steam pump with the flexable braided hose ,rather then the solid copper connection.
        Well I'm quite pleased my sunbeam is back again,despite it's less then porportional appearance (fall damage),they are great machines though occasionally these models can give some grief,overall I reckon they are a great and very functional (albeit noisy) coffee maker.
        Cheer's,
        Mick.

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        • #19
          Another great result. Yep, the 6910 can pull great shots if minimum maintenance standards are followed. A friend recently bought a week5 2008 one - more grunt than any other 6910 / 7000 out there I have played with. Outstanding for the money ($200 seems to be the going rate for a decent one) - and really noisy...

          TampIt

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          • #20
            Be careful with the EM6900 pump, it has no relief valve. When you shut the steam tap, the pump cannot relieve the pressure between the pump outlet and tap, this can damage the pump over time.

            To remedy this, just leave the steam tap slightly open (as to be open but not engaging the switch) to vent the residual pressure. Once vented, you can shut the tap.

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            • #21
              noidle22,
              Thanks for that,strange thing was I didn't even consider they were any different as I did compare both the failed unit (from 6910) with the valve from the 6900 and to me,appeared identical in every way,has there been any time in the evolution of these machines that an improved solenoid valve made it's appearance or just with the introduction of EM6910?
              The issue of excessive pressure on the pump wouldn't bothered me at anytime because I've learned to (every steamer use)must be proceeded by the obligeratory easing off of pressure before switching off knob , after removing wand from frothed milk.
              Thanks again for your support.
              Cheer's,
              Mick.
              (Tampit) quick question,without notice,how is one to determine the age of build of a machine?
              Last edited by mulquemi; 20 November 2015, 03:52 PM. Reason: additional query!

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              • #22
                The solenoids are the same but the steam pump is different.
                The EM6900 used a small Ulka pump with the black flex hose and the 6910 used a Chinese manufactured pump from several manufacturers.

                Easy ways to date the machine:

                2007-2009/2010 (i think they were released in 07, not sure):
                Dull silver drip tray, round float in the drip tray, small raised metal bits on the steam and hot water wands

                2009/2010-2014: Shiny silver drip tray, oval float in drip tray, rounded steam wand tip and flat hot water tip

                There were machines manufactured in the changeover period of the old and new types that sometimes shared several components.

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                • #23
                  Hi Tamplt

                  A friend recently bought a week5 2008 one
                  How did you date this machine? - I think I have read somewhere that it is possible to do this from the serial number under the barcode on the back panel under the door.

                  Trev

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                  • #24
                    All Sunbeam products have a date of manufacture stamped on them.
                    I've never investigated the format even though i see them everyday but if it's the same as other manufacturers, the format is week of manufacture then year.

                    For example, a week 5 of 2008 model would have the date of manufacture as 058.
                    Once the products hit 2010, the DOM changed to 4 digits.

                    I'll confirm if this is the correct way to read the DOM's.
                    I always write them on my warranty claims but never really pay attention to them.

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                    • #25
                      Aha! - now I understand.
                      It seems I was close, but not close enough.
                      I was looking at the barcode number which is obviously the serial number.
                      It was not until I got a torch and examined the black "Caution" label underneath that I spotted the three digit number stamped into it - in this case "397".
                      It's obviously one of the early 6910s so it explains why the insides looked a bit the worse for wear - steam pump has been replaced as evidenced by the cut through the upper rubber mount but it did have a handwritten label stuck inside the back panel listing some of the services carried out on it and the control board may have been replaced judging by the screws used in the bottom mounts.
                      Thanks for the info noidle - much appreciated.

                      Trev

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                      • #26
                        I hate the cut mount shortcut when people replace the steam pump. It's literally only an extra 30 seconds or so to do the job properly.
                        I've seen machines that have come from other Sunbeam service centres with this done. It's shameful that a business representing the Sunbeam brand see fit to carry out repairs like that.

                        I saw another machine from the same service centre actually, they replaced the collar and not only did they snap one of the collar to thermoblock screws upon reassembly, they totally forgot to install the 4 screws to mount the collar to the chassis.
                        I made sure to call Sunbeam and tell them that one.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by noidle22 View Post
                          I hate the cut mount shortcut when people replace the steam pump. It's literally only an extra 30 seconds or so to do the job properly.
                          I've seen machines that have come from other Sunbeam service centres with this done. It's shameful that a business representing the Sunbeam brand see fit to carry out repairs like that.

                          I saw another machine from the same service centre actually, they replaced the collar and not only did they snap one of the collar to thermoblock screws upon reassembly, they totally forgot to install the 4 screws to mount the collar to the chassis.
                          I made sure to call Sunbeam and tell them that one.
                          G'day Noidle

                          After years of working with precision electronics and military grade computer parts I know how frustrating it is to have to fix some amateur's stuff up when an initial 5 minute problem can morph into hours of my time. As a result I used to have a policy of not pulling machines under warranty apart, no matter what aggravation ensued. A true repair shocker changed all that as far as coffee machines go!

                          The only reason I got into the mechanics of a 6910 was a 5 senses SNAFU well above and beyond the usual bad service incompetence of really poor organisations. They used a 6900 collar which they presumably had lying around somewhere. Undeterred by the completely different & utterly incompatible mounting points, as I am sure you know, they proceeded anyway to fit it into my 6910. To further demonstrate their "initiative" they then warped the 6910 frame and used a variety of mismatched self tappers to enforce a merger. Needless to say it leaked like a sieve after a few days and they refused to fix it. The flood also damaged the kitchen bench badly by running under the bench and rotting the particle board. Luckily for 5 senses I was up to my neck in the bitter legal divorce from from ex-wife 2 so I did not have the time to pursue it further at that time. Moreover, also fortunately for them, I didn't see the bench damage until months later - why would you look when the top was OK? We had not managed even a minor spill apart from the 6910 leak (still haven't, it is not the normal working surface of that kitchen).

                          http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...tml#post507869 has the whole sordid saga.

                          Needless to say, hell will freeze over before I use 5 senses for anything again. Incompetent neanderthals... and that is on a good day. SB themselves were also unusually useless on that occasion. I now do my own 6910 work and refer friends to Perth's other SB quality service people. Personally, I recommend the one located at Hilton for any CS'r's in Perth area.

                          The 5 senses "effort" still rates as the most botched repair job I have ever encountered in ANY industry. Considering I come from two families of engineers and I have seen many shockers which actually resulted in deaths it is a pretty amazing achievement for 5 senses to notch up. Their unwillingness to even attempt a fix reminds me of certain shoddy home builders (wreckers?).



                          TampIt




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