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    Hi all,

    I've had a look around the forums and am after a bit of advice about what I should purchase. There was a manual coffee machine in my recent work experience's kitchen that I enjoyed using and it has inspired me to purchase myself a home set-up to hone my skills.

    Looking to spend around $1000 for a machine and grinder. Bench space isn't really an issue, I would like something that is going to have a good resale value should I lose interest.

    I enjoy white coffees and definitely want to be able to improve my poor steaming skills (and even branch into some latte art).

    I've seen a couple machines like the Breville BES920 or the Lelit Combi recommended fairly often, but they feel slightly out of range price wise. Is there any recommendations for a set up cheaper than the machines above? Or should I make the sacrifice to my wallet and take the dive on one of the above machines?

    Beans would probably be sourced from the markets in Adelaide or online. I have no clue where to start on my coffee making adventure, but I figure a good machine should allow me to pick up the basics and progress into some experimentation.

    Thanks in advanced for your help!

  • #2
    Hi and welcome,

    Having a restricted budget and also wanting good resale value are a couple of things that don't always line up. It sounds to me like you probably want a fairly user friendly set up so I would in this instance usually suggest something like the Sunbeam PU6910 combo. I think it ticks all your boxes, and can be bought for around $550-$600. So it's well under budget, but doesn't have the best resale value. The next option would be the Sunbeam EM7000 and EM5000 (or Breville BCG820 if it's cheaper) combo which I'm pretty sure would package up below $1000 if you bargain a bit at HN or BL. Resale value is slightly better, but still not great.
    If you really want to maximize your potential resale you'll need to look at a reconditioned or ex-demo machine from someone like Jetblack. You'd probably be looking at a Rancilio Silvia V2 and could grab a decent 2nd hand grinder off the sales forum here at CS or maybe a new Breville BCG820 on sale to go with it. It's definitely worth keeping your eyes on the sales forum here as there can be some good deals at times and it's a fair bit safer than running the eBay/Gumtree gauntlet.
    Good luck.

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    • #3
      Hello mate
      Certainly no expert on coffee machines, but I purchased a new Rancilio Silvia almost 8 years ago and it hasn’t missed a beat. I paired it with a Sunbeam EM series grinder (purchased new at the time for about $150 from memory). I think the total outlay was just shy of your budget of $1k.
      About 12 months ago I started becoming a little more interested in producing better coffee which led me to this website. One thing I kept reading, and have now learnt first-hand, was the difference a quality grinder makes. I decided to upgrade my grinder to a (used) Gino Rossi which I picked up through a colleague (accounting/liquidations…… one of the many unfortunate stories of cafés going under…..) The difference in the coffee I produced was remarkable. I’ve seen these around for ~$300 second hand.
      I’ve since upgraded the grinder again, but cannot stress enough the importance a decent grinder makes. I just wish I knew this 8 years ago…..
      I also have a Gaggia Classic which we use solely in our beach house. These are another machine that (with minor changes to milk wand), can produce good results and you can pick up pretty cheap.
      As LeroyC said above, your best bet if you are looking for resale value as well may be a used or ex-demo machine & grinder.
      Best of luck with it.
      Greg

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      • #4
        I would bypass the appliance gear and be looking for some quality second hand equipment.

        My current setup (a Bezzera BZ99s and a Compak K3P) cost less than $900 - around a third of the cost of new. As for longevity, the Bezzera was over 15 years old when I bought it nearly 3 years ago and hasnt missed a beat.

        My previous Breville BES820 and Sunbeam em480 were toys by comparison.

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        • #5
          My opinion is a second hand Rancilio Silvia (can be had for $400-500 easily) and a grinder to match like a Rancilio Rocky, Compak K3 etc. You should get this comfortably for under 1k second hand, then throw in $100 for accessories such as a tamper, milk jugs, cleaning brush etc.

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          • #6
            I also love my bezzera bz99. Bought second hand from this site for 700. Huge upgrade over my previous silvia v3. Especially for milk based drinks. I have a compak k3p also and reckon its a ripper simple no fuss grinder. You can also pick up many other grindrrs second hand that will last ghe test of time for circa 250 to 300. Happy shopping.

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            • #7
              All very good advice in the previous posts. Check out this listing that just came up in the for sale section - http://coffeesnobs.com.au/coffee-har...c-zaffiro.html

              Pair that with a decent grinder and you're set. You should be able to get a Compak K3 push for about $490 new, or even less second hand.

              Cheers, Dave

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              • #8
                Both the Silvia/Rocky combo and the Breville 920 and smart grinder are both great brand new setups that will last you years. As stated above though, don't be afraid to buy second hand. Most of these machines/grinders will last a very long time

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                • #9
                  Thank you all for the warm welcome and great advice. Am I likely to see any disadvantage by going a single boiler over a dual boiler? Do the second hand Silvia's/Bezzeras come up for sale often or should I bite the bullet on the isomac zaffiro already listed (I'm in Adelaide, so that's a plus!)?

                  Thanks again.

                  Edit: Just realised that the coffee machine @ my work experience was a Profitec Pro 700, I never realised how lucky I was

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jmadden91 View Post
                    Both the Silvia/Rocky combo and the Breville 920 and smart grinder are both great brand new setups that will last you years. As stated above though, don't be afraid to buy second hand. Most of these machines/grinders will last a very long time
                    I agree the Silvia/Rocky combo has the potential to produce good espresso for many years, not so the Breville products, they are not noted for either longevity or reliability.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by iMagoo View Post
                      Thank you all for the warm welcome and great advice. Am I likely to see any disadvantage by going a single boiler over a dual boiler? Do the second hand Silvia's/Bezzeras come up for sale often or should I bite the bullet on the isomac zaffiro already listed (I'm in Adelaide, so that's a plus!)?

                      Thanks again.

                      Edit: Just realised that the coffee machine @ my work experience was a Profitec Pro 700, I never realised how lucky I was
                      Morning Magoo,

                      The Isomac Machine is in a different class again compared to the Silvia or Breville, if is within your budget certainly well worth a look.

                      Just remember your going to need a decent grinder as well, perhaps a good s/h Rocky would do the job, you would still be within the $1000 limit.

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                      • #12
                        A single boiler will produce basically as good espresso shots as a dual boiler of a similar level of quality, however if you plan to make milk based drinks, there is a level of hassle involved as the steam temperature is much hotter than brew temperature, so there is some delay in time to heat the boiler or cool the boiler temp, depending whether you pull the shot first or steam the milk first.

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                        • #13
                          Go for a 2nd hand Siliva or Lelit and a Macap M2M grinder. $1000 will get this. Forget sunbeam and Breville

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                          • #14
                            The Lelit single boiler is a beauty. Same price as a Silvia but better looking and better build IMO.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pauly404 View Post
                              The Lelit single boiler is a beauty. Same price as a Silvia but better looking and better build IMO.
                              How do you think they compare to the isomac zaffiro?

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