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  • MarinJim
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    Steam Ball Valve supply

    Originally posted by shazosbourne View Post
    "We can't get this product anymore

    We are no longer able to source this product from our supplier."

    Locally here in Australia all I have found is bigwarehouse dot com dot au selling them for $115. Is that the going rate? Maybe I'll just have a crack at opening that thing up and seeing if it's just a seal or o-ring.


    **Update: Called Breville and got authorised repairer locally in Seven Hills. He had 4 of the steam valves in stock so I went and bought one for ~$74. I have since taken the old valve apart and it seems the brass ball gets a little gunked up, which I assume is what causes the poor seating on the nylon cups and hence the leaking, but the other (main) issue the small O ring on the spigot is not sealing so you get the leak through there. I'll be cleaning this one up and getting a new o ring for the spigot and see if seals. Then it might be good in the event this other ones fails.
    Hi Shaz, do you have contact info for the Seven Hills repairer? I'd love to see if I could source a couple of the ball valves from him. I need one NOW, and would also like a backup for the next failure (my current one lasted less than a year before it started leaking). Or, might you be so kind as to ship a few to the US? If you could ship several of them in one shipment, I could then in turn ship a few of them to others in the US (I'm in California), and that way you could "seed" the supply, and provide several needy coffee people in the US with valves with one just overseas shipment from Australia to the US.

    Also, did you clean one valve and test it? If I can't source a new one, I may have to go that route!

    Thanks!
    Jim

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  • shazosbourne
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    Originally posted by peter.scales View Post
    Ordered two, only one was dispatched. It arrived today and has been installed.
    I have a query in about the missing part, but the auto-email back said I won't get a considered reply until after the Christmas break....
    i.e. in early January.

    So the genuine part is at least obtainable.
    "We can't get this product anymore

    We are no longer able to source this product from our supplier."

    Locally here in Australia all I have found is bigwarehouse dot com dot au selling them for $115. Is that the going rate? Maybe I'll just have a crack at opening that thing up and seeing if it's just a seal or o-ring.


    **Update: Called Breville and got authorised repairer locally in Seven Hills. He had 4 of the steam valves in stock so I went and bought one for ~$74. I have since taken the old valve apart and it seems the brass ball gets a little gunked up, which I assume is what causes the poor seating on the nylon cups and hence the leaking, but the other (main) issue the small O ring on the spigot is not sealing so you get the leak through there. I'll be cleaning this one up and getting a new o ring for the spigot and see if seals. Then it might be good in the event this other ones fails.
    Last edited by shazosbourne; 11 January 2019, 03:36 PM. Reason: added question

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  • peter.scales
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    Originally posted by peter.scales View Post
    This NZ site looks encouraging : Need a part

    I have an enquiry in for supply of one ball valve assembly. We'll see what transpires.
    Ordered two, only one was dispatched. It arrived today and has been installed.
    I have a query in about the missing part, but the auto-email back said I won't get a considered reply until after the Christmas break....
    i.e. in early January.

    So the genuine part is at least obtainable.

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  • pcrussell50
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    Glad to know all's good with you Marty. It's always better to take the route that makes you happy. If you ever become interested in flow profiling there is a thread about adding a "Bianca'like" needle valve to any E61 that is generic enough to fit it. IMS, it is in the stage where the guy who is the prime mover has sent drawings to a fabricator... waiting to see the result. Even I am, and I have don't have an E61.

    -Peter

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  • Martino
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    Originally posted by pcrussell50 View Post
    Hi Marty. They were available as of this summer, and people were buying them. Looks like they are on back order now.
    https://www.ereplacementparts.com/sh...arch%20results

    Further, there is one I found that is so close to an exact fit, that it doesn't require any modification. It even uses the same screw in the handle as the stock Breville valve. Though it doesn't seem to be of as high a quality at least by just looking at it.

    Breville USA has USA tort laws to face. If we had in the USA, the same reasonable standards for bringing civil suit as the rest of the world, Breville USA would not have to have the fear of users making DIY repairs that they feel they need, in order to protect themselves from liability. And they are not unique in this. All deep pocketed companies in the USA practice defensive liability strategy. Small companies without deep pockets, simply liquidate if they lose or can't afford to fight a big suit. It's the American way these days. The problem is us. We like our frivolous law suits, and we elect leaders who write the tort laws to give us what we want. Every time the idea of bringing USA civil liability laws into congruence with the rest of the democratic world is brought up, it goes down in flames. Remember "tort reform"? That was such an attempt. We didn't want it. So we go on with what we have, looking at literally every decision through the lens of legal liability.

    Meanwhile, the BDB and it's commercial quality temperature performance, simple logical layout and easy repairs combine to give us what is now "better than Slayer" flow profiling capability: https://www.home-barista.com/espress...0.html#p619804
    https://www.home-barista.com/espress...54849-190.html

    With flow profiling capability like this, I don't know if there is another machine I would buy today, at _any_ price.

    -Peter
    Hi Peter,
    Good to hear from you! Thanks for the Home Barista link to the Slayer-like BDB mod. Your explanation of what you did and how it works sounds good and an easy mod to do. Clever!

    I understand the Breville replacement parts issue...however, I'm not a proponent of suing places like McDonalds cause I spilled hot coffee on me :-0 I thought long, too long, and hard about switching away from the BDB but it wasn't just because of the spare parts issue. Its also due to their repair policy of sending our machines to their subcontracted Carol Stream, Ill appliance repair center where I had several bad experiences. All in all, after six years living with Breville, living without the machine as it was being "repaired", I simply decided to call the relationship quits and go elsewhere.

    I use the same locally roasted coffee, the same grinder with the same settings as I did with the BDB but my new machine extracts a much different taste - in a good way - its a deeper coffee flavor and the crema is outrageous. I'm not looking back, does no good but am certainly happy to hear what you have done and that you are happy. That's all that really counts in the end, right?

    Marty

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  • pcrussell50
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    Hi Marty. They were available as of this summer, and people were buying them. Looks like they are on back order now.
    https://www.ereplacementparts.com/sh...arch%20results

    Further, there is one I found that is so close to an exact fit, that it doesn't require any modification. It even uses the same screw in the handle as the stock Breville valve. Though it doesn't seem to be of as high a quality at least by just looking at it.

    Breville USA has USA tort laws to face. If we had in the USA, the same reasonable standards for bringing civil suit as the rest of the world, Breville USA would not have to have the fear of users making DIY repairs that they feel they need, in order to protect themselves from liability. And they are not unique in this. All deep pocketed companies in the USA practice defensive liability strategy. Small companies without deep pockets, simply liquidate if they lose or can't afford to fight a big suit. It's the American way these days. The problem is us. We like our frivolous law suits, and we elect leaders who write the tort laws to give us what we want. Every time the idea of bringing USA civil liability laws into congruence with the rest of the democratic world is brought up, it goes down in flames. Remember "tort reform"? That was such an attempt. We didn't want it. So we go on with what we have, looking at literally every decision through the lens of legal liability.

    Meanwhile, the BDB and it's commercial quality temperature performance, simple logical layout and easy repairs combine to give us what is now "better than Slayer" flow profiling capability: https://www.home-barista.com/espress...0.html#p619804
    https://www.home-barista.com/espress...54849-190.html

    With flow profiling capability like this, I don't know if there is another machine I would buy today, at _any_ price.

    -Peter

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  • Martino
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    Here in the US, its hopeless to find the correct replacement ball valve and no one will sell you the Breville part. I went down the path, like a few others, in trying to find a substitute that would function correctly, even if it was a cobble job with the physical installation. However, even those valves are very inexpensive, so how long would I expect them to last?? Then I'd be at it again. Sure, we can give Breville $350 and they will replace it, but I could buy 70 of the after market valves for that price.

    I think when I stopped following this thread, Peter (pcrussell50) was the closest to finding an aftermarket valve that, with some fitment tweaking, could possibly work. However, I decided to give up on Breville so I sold my dual boiler and bought an ECM. Sorry I don't have a solution for you on the valve itself but I'm more sorry Breville USA has done this to us. I just couldn't continue to support Breville if they were not going to offer us owners proper support in parts replenishment.

    Sorry if this seems more like a rant than a solution but I'm still pissed about this whole issue as I liked my Dual Boiler.

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  • peter.scales
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    Originally posted by keith023 View Post
    I am having the same dripping issue inside the machine due to a failing ball valve. Does anyone know where to find the part? Seems like forum doesn't even list the part anymore and ereplacementparts has it as unavailable.

    Any suggestions would be most welcome!

    Thanks,
    Keith
    This NZ site looks encouraging : Need a part

    I have an enquiry in for supply of one ball valve assembly. We'll see what transpires.

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  • pcrussell50
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    Originally posted by keith023 View Post
    I am having the same dripping issue inside the machine due to a failing ball valve. Does anyone know where to find the part? Seems like forum doesn't even list the part anymore and ereplacementparts has it as unavailable.

    Any suggestions would be most welcome!

    Thanks,
    Keith
    Sadly, I have no good news for you except that the world is awash in 1/4 BSPP (British parallel pipe thread) ball valves, which is the thread size that the Breville ends screw into.

    What we have yet to find, is an exact length and thickness replacement. This thread offers the latest on the subject:

    https://www.home-barista.com/espress...cs-t50907.html

    In short, you can buy one that's nearly the right size, and file/grind it into final fit.

    -Peter
    Last edited by pcrussell50; 4 May 2018, 08:23 AM.

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  • keith023
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    Originally posted by pcrussell50 View Post
    Sorry about your experience with Breville service. I've never had to deal with them in over six years because I've simply done my own routine maintenance myself and thankfully, that is all it has taken to keep the machine working like new.

    From your report on the quality of their service, I guess I'm hoping I never need to.

    -Peter
    I am having the same dripping issue inside the machine due to a failing ball valve. Does anyone know where to find the part? Seems like forum doesn't even list the part anymore and ereplacementparts has it as unavailable.

    Any suggestions would be most welcome!

    Thanks,
    Keith

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  • pcrussell50
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    Sorry about your experience with Breville service. I've never had to deal with them in over six years because I've simply done my own routine maintenance myself and thankfully, that is all it has taken to keep the machine working like new.

    From your report on the quality of their service, I guess I'm hoping I never need to.

    -Peter

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  • Martino
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    Hi Peter,
    Dunno. However, since the 920 is so easy to program, I have gone the full range of coffee brew temps with my machine while keeping every other variable at a constant and can honestly say I have never been able to taste an appreciable difference. DB E61 machines use a PID to maintain set temps that can be set in 1 degree increments, like our 920. Thy don't need the cooling flush like a heat exchanger does. So I guess what I'm saying is that if the PID controller has an accuracy of +/- 0.2%, and I have my temp set to 200F, it would provide a range of 199.6 - 200.4F, well within the range I experimented with on my 920.

    Our 920 offers a set temp range of 190 - 205F and for me, it all tasted pretty much the same. Ok, there were subtle variations but of course I was purposely looking for them since I knew I was conducting a test. The DB E61's I've considered are all below the $3K mark which is a threshold I set for myself since my money doesn't grow on trees for me and they pretty much all use the Gicar PID's. Yes, you do need a bit more time to get an E61 up to a stable temp from a cold start than our 920 which have the electric brew group heating element (another nice feature of our machines).

    When I get an espresso away from home and like the way it tastes and I see it coming from an E61 brew group, I believe I'm sure the brewing temp is within any of the ranges I've used at home. I don't get so hung up on accuracy in this case case I just believe the normal person can't tell the diff or the diff is within an acceptable taste range. I mean, who can tell if its 200 or 201 or 198 or 199? If I get one I don't like, I don't suspect the brewing temp, I suspect the beans, grind, tamp and volume of grind used, long before I suspect its the fault of the espresso machine. Oh yeah, the barista is suspect too :-0 To go further, all bets are off for those who make capps/latte/other flavored drinks with their machines, which many do.

    I really want to stay with my Breville DB but have had it up to here when having to deal with Breville service and I don't believe the quality of internal parts is all that good, which is why they can sell at the price point they do, I get it, but is also why I will continue to have to deal with their service and parts sourcing. I think its a great machine to get started with and am glad I bought it.

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  • pcrussell50
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    Originally posted by Martino View Post
    If you buy a dual boiler E61, you will also have temp stability, I'm not a heat exchanger fan after living with the 900/920XL.

    I will miss my 920 but its going to my brother in law, so I'll get to use it when I visit him! :-)

    Martino
    Do the DB E61's have the temp stability of the BDB? The Scace tests by credible sources of the BDB I've seen, have it in or slightly better than GS/3 territory. Are the DB E61's at that level? I honestly don't know, except anecdotally from the people that eventually leave their E61 to get a GS/3.

    -Peter

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  • Martino
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    Right, I should have mentioned the programmability and temp control too. I think our dual boilers have the best programmability and by that I mean how simple it is to program it and there are many settings that you can adjust. You can tell a lot of thought went into the design of this machine. If you buy a dual boiler E61, you will also have temp stability, I'm not a heat exchanger fan after living with the 900/920XL.

    I will miss my 920 but its going to my brother in law, so I'll get to use it when I visit him! :-)

    Martino

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  • pcrussell50
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    Originally posted by Martino View Post
    It is a very nice full feature set machine but after having owned a couple of them for a number of years, I can say that you get what you pay for.

    Martino
    You get what you pay for, except for one thing. Nothing can touch the BDB for temperature stability until you start getting into saturated brew group designs, which in the USA, start at $7000USD and go up from there. And THAT is what makes the BDB for me. Otherwise, I'd have an E61.

    -Peter

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