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    I want to buy our first ever machine this week. Wife has been using the stove top every day for years. She loves the simplicity and easy cleanup. I was going to get a her a littleguy as an upgrade for Christmas. But it's reported not to work well on gas stoves.

    I want to find something that;
    - easy to use, easy to clean and maintain.
    - i like the idea of a combo so i dont have to have multiple bits of kit...but unlikely to be really high end?
    - needs to be great at espresso and long black (me) and milk coffee (her).
    - needs to be reliable and likely to last for YEARS!
    - We wan to use every day. We usually order a dbl shot when out, will these machines make 2 dbl shots so we can have coffee together at weekend?
    - we dont have much time for stuffing around in the morning. Ideally this wont take 10min of actual activity to make...
    - the machine should be able to heat up itself - timer on a powerpoint maybe?
    - $1200 is around the max
    - i want to buy in Melb this week.

    I was thinking either
    1. Lelit PL41TEMD
    2. Rancilio Silvia M and Rocky combo
    3. Breville Combo
    Last edited by Jpete9; 19 December 2016, 09:14 AM.

  • #2
    Hi Pete,

    A single boiler machine does not fit your brief (timer and multiple milky) and your budget does not extend to a HX espresso machine. This leaves you with the appliances.

    In my opinion, the Breville Dual boiler goes closest to being any good whilst being a rough match to your budget.

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    • #3
      Hi and welcome
      Of the choices you listed and based on your coffee needs and the 3 options you listed, I would probably opt for the Lelit but not sure how it works on a timer.
      I haven't used the Littleguy so can't comment on its effectiveness with gas. I have used the Atomic stovetop on which the Littleguy is based and it works well. Someone else on CS posted that his wife found the Littleguy fiddly to use.
      Note that the Rancilio combo is a separate espresso machine and grinder. You are better off avoiding equipment with built in grinders as if a component fails, you lose both while the equipment is being repaired.
      The problem with Breville and other appliance machines is that they have a (reported) tendency to break down within a couple of years.

      Do you currently own a good grinder? If not, you can add a new dimension to your coffee enjoyment by buying a good grinder and grinding your beans on demand.

      The often repeated advice is to go to a coffee machine seller with a good range of machines and get advice from experienced professionals. Casa Espresso, * ****, TalkCoffee and Coffee-A-Roma are all Melbourne based sponsors

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      • #4
        Originally posted by flynnaus View Post
        . You are better off avoiding equipment with built in grinders as if a component fails, you lose both while the equipment is being repaired.
        Whilst that is true the facts are that they don't break down very often. I had a Rancilio Lucy for many years with no issues. The other point is, if your grinder breaks your espresso machine is only good for steaming milk until you get your grinder back.

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        • #5
          I am reluctant to buy a Breville type and i am pretty unlikely to.
          I do not own a grinder and have never had anything of this nature before.
          But i am reluctant to buy the base model and grow out of it quickly.
          I think i have 10000 expectations and 1200 budget

          With the combi, if the grinder breaks (which seems like a theory at this point) i would get it repaired - its a 1200 machine and being able to repair it is the point of not buying a Breville? so maybe its not a really high risk?

          If i ended up buying a grinder, cant i grind separately and use the machine anyway?

          My real preference is the Lelit PL60 (dual boiler) and buy a grinder later (mothers day)...but no grinder is going to be a pain.

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          • #6
            A grinder is more important than the machine in many respects.

            You can make a great filter/french press coffee if you have a good grinder and good coffee.

            You'll struggle to make a good espresso base with pre-ground coffee, no matter how expensive the machine is.

            Many people mention the Breville Smart grinder as a good entry level grinder (approx. $250), but I have never used one myself.

            Brett.

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            • #7
              Thanks. I am concerned when i look at the smaller entry level machines how long it will take to whip up two great coffees each morning.

              Does this vary much between say the Lelit/Rancilio $800 machines and the next ones up in the $1200 range? or do you need to spend much more to see a big difference?

              I am thinking i either need a bigger single boiler or a doubler boiler?
              Last edited by Jpete9; 19 December 2016, 12:48 PM.

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              • #8
                If you are doing 2 coffees in the morning and only 1 is milk based, then I think a single boiler will do the job.
                It will not be as fast as a HX or dual boiler, but we are talking a couple of minutes, not ages.
                I started with the Silvia/Rocky combo many years ago.
                When I moved to the Expobar/Macap combo we currently have, I discovered 2 things.
                1 - The Silvia was quite an unforgiving machine. I can make small mistakes in dosing now and still get a reasonable result. The Silvia needed the dose to be very correct.
                2 - The Rocky was an acceptable grinder, but for the price you can probably do better these days.

                As suggested earlier, go visit a sponsor and have a play/chat.

                The benefit of purchasing something like a Lelit or Silvia is that you can sell them for a good price 2nd hand if you do decide you 'need' to upgrade. As long as you look after them!

                Good luck.

                Brett.

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                • #9
                  One machine that you may want to consider is the Nuova Simonelli Oscar.

                  Probably the best bang for your buck HX machine on the market and in your budget

                  PM us if we can help

                  Regards

                  Casa Espresso

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                  • #10
                    I checked in with the wife...I might be able to spend a little more...she is also a little bit warmer to the idea of more complexity. Keep in mind, we only use a Moka now.

                    1. Oscar looks like it would work well and some of the reviews make it sound good - but a few people i spoke to today said stay away due to the variability of the temp?

                    Qs.
                    Is this unit reliable? Is this similar to a Breville in that its basically an unserviceable appliance or is this a long lasting thing like a Lelit/ECM ?
                    Am i right in thinking this will make Milf coffee easily and pretty high quality each day.

                    2. Lelit PL60/PL43 grinder, if it can be had at the right price, might be a good option?

                    Qs.
                    Am i correct that dual boiler gives me quicker shot>milk and the ability to make more cups in a single session (eg visitors).
                    Is this going to be a bit faster to use in the morning for milk coffee.
                    Does the dual boiler take longer to bring up to temp?
                    Some one told me today you can easily damage a single boiler with incorrect process, is this true of the doubleboiler?
                    Do they need a PID?

                    3. If i can stretch my budget a little further - how much do i need to stretch to get into a grinder and something a bit more usable than a small single boiler - that is long lasting.

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                    • #11
                      Hi Pete,

                      Have a chat with Paul re a Lelit PL60 and a grinder.

                      I'd think he should be able to sort you for circa $2k.

                      Chris

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                      • #12
                        Yep - What Chris said! $2k will get you a good setup that can bang out a number of coffees in quick succession. Not sure about Milf coffees though.

                        Am i correct that dual boiler gives me quicker shot>milk and the ability to make more cups in a single session (eg visitors).
                        Yes. And so does a HX machine (Heat Exchange)
                        Is this going to be a bit faster to use in the morning for milk coffee.
                        Yes.

                        Does the dual boiler take longer to bring up to temp?
                        I like to give mine about 30 minutes warmup with the group handle in place.
                        Some one told me today you can easily damage a single boiler with incorrect process, is this true of the doubleboiler?
                        Yes it is possible. If the water level is low it is possible to fry an element on certain machines. Some machines have a cutout when the level gets too low. This is a GREAT question for the showroom.
                        Do they need a PID?
                        Whole topic on its' own this one. I will leave it alone

                        3. If i can stretch my budget a little further - how much do i need to stretch to get into a grinder and something a bit more usable than a small single boiler - that is long lasting
                        10 years ago we moved from a Silvia/Rocky to Expobar Minore II / Macap M5 (from Chris @ Talk Coffee) and have been very happy with it ever since, but no-one here can guarantee you will not be bitten hard by the upgrade bug in the future. My main point being, if you do spend the $$ up front, you are likely to get some long lasting equipment.

                        Hope some of this is helpful.

                        Brett.

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                        • #13
                          God forbid an 'appliance' being any good...5 years later and sure it leaks a little through the joint at the top of the steam wand, apart from that it's a great learning machine for people that have never had a machine before.

                          ...and if they are really desperate I know of a website that has pretty good instructions to fix the problems themselves.

                          Oh I should add, the grinder is still going too. Like they all do needed a few shims originally but never had an issue with it.

                          Originally posted by K_Bean_Coffee
                          Absolutely true. When people call me one of the first questions I ask is "what machine do you have now." The most common answer is the Breville Dual Boiler and it's often because the thing has broken down. When they break down they're usually landfill. Bad for the environment and bad for your wallet....
                          I would recommend starting with a decent single boiler like a Gaggia Classic, Rancilio Silvia or, if you can stretch a little, a Lelit PL41LEM.
                          Cheers, Paul

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                          • #14
                            Buying First Ever Machine

                            Yep, the Breville's aren't built like the Italians, that's for sure. But the things that usually go wrong like leaks, pump and solenoid are not any more difficult to fix on the Breville's than other similar repairs on the classics. The problem isn't that they are particularly hard to fix, just that you have to dig around to find the parts. IMO, Breville could make parts available if they wanted to.

                            That said, I don't expect mine to last 10 years either. But to get top of line features and performance at that price point is very sweet.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by shapeshifter View Post
                              God forbid an 'appliance' being any good...5 years later and sure it leaks a little through the joint at the top of the steam wand, apart from that it's a great learning machine for people that have never had a machine before.
                              I'm with you there ss (who'da thunk it? ),

                              I still recommend the Breville for those who provide a HX or dual boiler brief but don't want to spend into the $3k price bracket. I'd far sooner do that than suggest a similarly priced single boiler or combi where the brief includes milky coffee, entertaining and/or the need for a timer.

                              There are no doubt tales of woe from some owners, but to balance those off, we have no idea of how many thousands of happily operating machines there are out there. If the machine was a flop, it would no longer be on the market.

                              We frequently sell upgrades to Breville owners who are ready for something else and I'm thankful that we become a part of their coffee story- whatever the genesis.

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