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  • Lelit PL60PLUST vs Sage (Breville) Dual Boiler

    Hi all,


    I live in the UK and have asked this question in the coffee forum over here, without much of balanced view. Mainly with the Lelit not being very prominent over here, while I see a lot more love for it on Coffee Snobs.


    I currently have a Rancilio Silvia that needs replacing and I'm looking for a dual boiler (only). Have narrowed it down to the Lelit PL60PLUST and the Sage/Breville Dual Boiler.


    As far as I can tell the follow are the pros of each machine


    Lelit PL60PLUST
    - smaller form factor, fits better in my kitchen
    - full stainless steel body
    - double manometer
    - can turn off steam Boiler independently


    Sage/Breville Dual Boiler
    - much more control
    - better (?) heating system
    - can be purchased on the high street, so makes servicing/repairs easier.


    Coming from a Silvia, I don't seem myself tinkering too much once the machine is setup. Just want something that's consistent and hassle free. We do prefer our flat whites (although I tend to straight shots, long blacks also), hence a decent steam would be important. Part of the reason to go DB is also to cater for any entertaining and I may end up pouring a few coffees in a row, and the wait time on a single boiler is a pain.


    Anyone got any advise? Any owner of either (or both) happy to share your experiences? At the moment the Breville is only slightly more expensive so it's not even about the money.


    Also wondering if it's possible to descale the Lelit at home.


    Thanks in advance!

  • #2
    at that price range i would opt for a E61 HX or DB...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by greymda View Post
      at that price range i would opt for a E61 HX or DB...
      Ok, I deffo don't want a HX, so if you know of an E61 DB around the £850 mark that's better than these two I'd love to know.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by flattie View Post
        Ok, I deffo don't want a HX, so if you know of an E61 DB around the £850 mark that's better than these two I'd love to know.
        Actually doesn't the e61 take at least 30 min to start up? I was looking for one with quicker heating up time as it fits my lifestyle better.

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        • #5
          The lelit will still be running in 10 years time. The breville will be lucky to get 3 years out of it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by flattie View Post
            Actually doesn't the e61 take at least 30 min to start up? I was looking for one with quicker heating up time as it fits my lifestyle better.
            People get around the heat up time issue by using a socket timer to automatically turn on your machine at a preset time e.g in the morning. If you want super fast heat up times, go for the Breville(Sage in UK) Duo Temp Pro, Infuser or Barista Express. They all use Breville's thermocoil system(with PID temp control) instead of a boiler(s) and heats up in under a minute. I have the duo temp pro and normally do a minute long flush to heat up the group, portafilter and cups. Shot quality is really quite good I would say but ok, not as good as an E61.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Enigk View Post
              People get around the heat up time issue by using a socket timer to automatically turn on your machine at a preset time e.g in the morning..
              Yeah the timer thing isn't great though, if I decided last minute that I would like a coffee.

              Just noticed a thread about keeping the machine on all day and I have always thought it was going to be more expensive. Now I'm not sure. Need to look into it a bit more :/

              Thanks for the tip though!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by flattie View Post
                Ok, I deffo don't want a HX, so if you know of an E61 DB around the £850 mark that's better than these two I'd love to know.
                Why not an hx?

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                • #9
                  I don't think a thermoblock machine is an option. I have a BES920 that I got as a free replacement for a BES900 I bought with extender warranty. I made excellent coffee with the 900, better than at most cafes, and I am making the same excellent coffee with the 920 as well. The new machine heats up fast and they have ironed out some problems the 900 had. I don't know for how long my 920 will keep working well. The 900 needed repairs during the normal warranty period and then failed again during the extended warranty period. It has been extremely painful and irritating to deal with the high street sellers and the extended warranty company. They know absolutely nothing about coffee and offered a very, very bad service. So... I would actually go for the Lelit.

                  By the way, Breville started selling the BES900 through the specialty coffee machines shops back in 2011, but I think margins were too thin. Breville could try to package their DB in stainless steel, change the brand name, increase the price a bit and sell it in proper shops again.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by flattie View Post
                    Hi all,


                    I live in the UK and have asked this question in the coffee forum over here, without much of balanced view. Mainly with the Lelit not being very prominent over here, while I see a lot more love for it on Coffee Snobs.
                    Where exactly are you? I take it you're not in London. Are you far from a big city (where service is likely to be available)?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by trentski View Post
                      Why not an hx?
                      A few things I suppose - warm up time, consistency with the brew temp (I don't actually know how much I need to learn to get the temperature correct), learning curve?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
                        Where exactly are you? I take it you're not in London. Are you far from a big city (where service is likely to be available)?
                        I'm in London. Although the only supplier I could find for a Lelit here is based up near Birmingham.

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                        • #13
                          Thanks guys for your responses. It's funny that the UK forum pretty much wrote off the Lelit while Coffee Snobs have gone the other way.

                          Good point regarding resale value though. Not sure how well the Lelit would resell here TBH so something to think about

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                          • #14
                            [QUOTE=flattie;602949]Thanks guys for your responses. It's funny that the UK forum pretty much wrote off the Lelit while Coffee Snobs have gone the other way.

                            Quite often the success of a particular brand in a country has more to do with the local distributor then the attributes of the machine. These days there is not really a "bad machine" ,only ones that are better marketed , advertised or suited to particular markets

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                            • #15
                              you're in the UK. in your place i would definitely get this http://www.bellabarista.co.uk/quik-m...hine-1629.html

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