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  • #31
    Originally posted by booge View Post
    On the Breville smart grinder I'm on setting of 16 for the grind, with a 10 second grind time....
    Hi booge, the following info may be helpful.

    I too have the EM7000 with Smart Grinder Pro and as luck would have it I opened a bag of Espresso Wow yesterday (roasted 28/5). I'm only a beginner but I'm getting good shots from this combination,: the shot is oozing out at first and then progressively getting faster.

    Remember that you're aiming for around 30 seconds of total extraction time including the pre-infusion. Have you timed the shot at all? Pros can go off colour alone but for novices like us it helps to time the shot.

    Now the info you've been looking for:
    - I am using grind setting 7/8 at the moment,
    - with other coffee I've gone as low as 5 to get a good shot,
    - regardless of setting the grind time has always been closer to 20 seconds than to 10 seconds for the double basket. The basket is slightly overfilled at this point
    - it's ok for the shot to start with just a trickle, this machine doesn't have a lot of shot power as TampIt confirmed above

    Hope this helps.

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    • #32
      yes single basket for a 10 second grind. Any finer and I find it's choking the machine or really struggling to push anything through.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by zeezaw View Post
        Hi booge, the following info may be helpful.

        I too have the EM7000 with Smart Grinder Pro and as luck would have it I opened a bag of Espresso Wow yesterday (roasted 28/5). I'm only a beginner but I'm getting good shots from this combination,: the shot is oozing out at first and then progressively getting faster.

        Remember that you're aiming for around 30 seconds of total extraction time including the pre-infusion. Have you timed the shot at all? Pros can go off colour alone but for novices like us it helps to time the shot.

        Now the info you've been looking for:
        - I am using grind setting 7/8 at the moment,
        - with other coffee I've gone as low as 5 to get a good shot,
        - regardless of setting the grind time has always been closer to 20 seconds than to 10 seconds for the double basket. The basket is slightly overfilled at this point
        - it's ok for the shot to start with just a trickle, this machine doesn't have a lot of shot power as TampIt confirmed above

        Hope this helps.
        I had the grinder on 9 and 10 and found the filter basket holes getting totally clogged and having a wash it out and scrub with my finger to dislodge the grounds.

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        • #34
          Try using the double basket. It is much easier to get the pour right using it rather than the single.


          Java "Houston I think we've found the problem!" phile
          Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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          • #35
            Yep, the double basket is the only way to go, especially when you're learning. Also don't pay too much attention to other people's grinder settings as there's way too many other variables for them to be of much use. They could give you a ballpark target range, but they may not even do that.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by TampIt View Post
              As you have already tried to get someone, here is the "quick & dirty" which (hopefully) will get you started...
              Thank you so much for all of that detail, I really appreciate it.

              I haven't bought the scales yet, but I'm doing much better with the fresh beans overall. Using the information I've received and taking grind/dose/tamp notes on every try to keep track of exactly what I did and what the result was to try and get a decent consistent result.

              PS: getting decent frothed milk out of a 7000 is a whole 'nother can of worms - retraining old habits probably needed in your case.
              Heh... I'll probably be back swearing about this once I get something resembling consistently drinkable coffee out of this %$#%$#%.

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              • #37
                I just bought a 7000 changing over from an Otto, I'm waiting for it to arrive. You will probably hear me yelling soon!

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Porca View Post
                  I just bought a 7000 changing over from an Otto, I'm waiting for it to arrive. You will probably hear me yelling soon!
                  To be honest, I'd rather hear yelling in solidarity than 'ha ha, took it out of the box, started it up: THE COFFEE IS PERFECT I DUNNO WHAT YOU BABIES ARE WHINING ABOUT!'

                  (when I was looking for help/info/something/anything I watched a bunch of youtube videos and one dude did exactly that... I might have sworn at the screen, but I admit nothing)

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                  • #39
                    When someone does that it just proves one of two things:
                    1. They think they deserve the credit for fluking it first go; or
                    2. They have no palate

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Javaphile View Post
                      Try using the double basket. It is much easier to get the pour right using it rather than the single.


                      Java "Houston I think we've found the problem!" phile
                      The double basket did it. Had a few good shots in a row now. Won't bore with the details of grind etc as that is different for most but a 30 second extraction is tasting great. Very happy now.

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                      • #41
                        As the owner of the Sunbeam EM6910/EM7000 series of beasts for many years, I am here to defend the reputation of the beast. Of course there have been many issues with reliability (Quality Control) with these machines, but once you have a working machine, then making a drinkable coffee should be relatively easy.

                        For me, the key to success with this beast is to :
                        * Grind your own beans (I will let you determine the relevant Brand and freshness of the Beans)
                        * Fill the Basket until it forms a slight mountain above the lip of the basket and then use your finger to tamp it down into a slight hollow
                        * Complete the filling of the basket and then tamp with a good quality Tamper (one that is the correct size for the basket...the Sunbeam one may not be)
                        * The final tamp should leave you just below the lip of the basket equal to the thickness of a 5 cent piece

                        Focus on the things that you can control first (the dose/amount of Grind & the pressure of your Tamp)...the coarseness of the Grind is the variable that you will need to experiment with.
                        Ignore the settings that others suggest on their Grinder (not that these settings are wrong....just irrelevant for you)


                        As a side note, as others have said, I was surprised how different the EM7000 was from the EM6910. As another side note, the EM7000 was advertised for $499 at JB Hi-Fi today....not bad if you can get a working and reliable one.

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                        • #42
                          No swearing yet, I seemed to have fluked a few good ones in a row

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                          • #43
                            An update: I returned the machine today :/.

                            I thought I was over the hump: With all of the great advice here, I managed a couple of days of pretty good coffee in a row. I was pretty $#%$#% pleased with myself, had the process sorted. Figured I could then just make tiny tweaks from there to get to great coffee.

                            BUT then doing all the same things as the 'pretty good coffee' days, I got '%$#^%$^ bad coffee. Again. Low pressure: watery & tasteless or right pressure: still watery, really bitter.

                            Yesterday I bought more fresh beans in case the beans that worked the previous days had suddenly gotten 'too old' (WTF, come on!). This morning: Crap coffee AGAIN.

                            So yeah, I give up.

                            On the upside: HN took the machine back no problem (I bought it in early May, returned the first one after two weeks thinking there was a problem with it, have been trying with this one for another month).

                            My EM9610 currently makes a noise like an airplane taking off as soon as I turn on the power (I don't even have to turn on the machine, it's like magic!), so not sure it can be fixed, but I'll give it a go.

                            @Porca: I kind of hate you right now.

                            Appreciate all the patience and advice regardless, so thanks.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Honest_Gaza View Post
                              EM7000 was advertised for $499 at JB Hi-Fi today....not bad if you can get a working and reliable one.
                              As somebody about to purchase my next machine and due to various factors explained in a different thread the comments above are a little concerning as I was thinkning that the EM7000 was the most likely candidate. I have had a 6910 for 10+ years and it has served me very faithfully. So is there a recognised issue with the reliability of the Sunbeam machines I am not aware of (apart from the difficulties of producing a good shot that is described in this thread)?

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                              • #45
                                I'm in the same boat here - Purchased the machine (EM7000) a few days ago but first use was about 15 minutes ago. Terrible results!

                                Previous machine was a Sunbeam and it lasted 10 years. Made average - great coffee depending on different factors. Used every type of store bought ground coffee beans and it would still give you something drinkable. But with the Sunbeam EM700 I fear I have entered a world of pain.

                                Using ground coffee from Coles, 2 cup basket (that came with the machine) and the coffee has no crema and is bitter. Tried a 1 cup pour on 2 cup basket + a manual pour. On the 1 & 2 cup button push pours the Pressure Gauge does not move. On the manual pour the gauge moved a few millimeters but only once the cup was full to the brim of coffee.

                                So if we are talking beans + grinder to solve my problems (if thats the problem) I would have thought if the EM7000 is so sensitive there would be information in the using manual about not only using a grinder and beans but the actual setting for the grinder.

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