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  • #16
    Well...

    I'll be heading via the downgrade path soon myself but not into a smaller espresso machine but into basic manual coffee making methods.

    It's just getting too difficult and painful for me to continue using the BFC Diadema Dual Boiler machine these days and will only be getting worse as time marches on. So, the inevitable will be happening in a couple of weeks time and the beloved DJE DB will be listed 4-Sale.

    Such is life...

    Mal.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Dimal View Post
      Well...

      I'll be heading via the downgrade path soon myself but not into a smaller espresso machine but into basic manual coffee making methods.

      It's just getting too difficult and painful for me to continue using the BFC Diadema Dual Boiler machine these days and will only be getting worse as time marches on. So, the inevitable will be happening in a couple of weeks time and the beloved DJE DB will be listed 4-Sale.

      Such is life...

      Mal.
      There has been a similar trend in the UK forums. Some people with expensive kit who have been doing this for a while have downgraded to appreciate other methods of brewing rather than espresso. Which I think is not wrong at all. I would not classify that as a downgrade, but as exploring different brewing methods.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Dimal View Post
        Well...

        I'll be heading via the downgrade path soon myself but not into a smaller espresso machine but into basic manual coffee making methods.

        It's just getting too difficult and painful for me to continue using the BFC Diadema Dual Boiler machine these days and will only be getting worse as time marches on. So, the inevitable will be happening in a couple of weeks time and the beloved DJE DB will be listed 4-Sale.

        Such is life...

        Mal.
        Sorry to hear this Mal, we take good health and mobility fore granted in our youth, sadly, as I have found, time takes its toll.

        Do you plan to continue roasting?

        All the best with whatever option you choose.

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        • #19
          A sad day indeed Mal. The silver lining is the difference between the value of your BFC and the bargain price of a behmor brazen will buy a lot of green beans (if you are to continue roasting) and if you do so, I look forward to reading your filter roasting notes.

          Good luck with whatever your chosen path is, it feels like we owe you a gold watch

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          • #20
            The march of time is not to kind to all of us Mal, there are some amazing coffees out there for filter brewing these days waiting for you to explore. Hang in there and maintain the passion. Looking forward to following your coffee journey.
            Best wishes from Trevor

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            • #21
              Originally posted by magnafunk View Post
              it feels like we owe you a gold watch
              Amen to that, or at least an award for services rendered.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by MediumRoastSteam View Post
                I'm currently thinking of downgrading from my Pro-700 to a Pro-300.

                After two years, I am coming to the realisation that it may be that the Pro-700 is too much of a machine for my needs.

                I love the consistency and stability of the Pro-700, and the simplicity and durability of the E61 group head. The fact is, however, that I make 1 or 2 cups of coffee first thing in the morning, most of the time. At the weekends (or when I work from home) I usually make 1 cup in the morning and 1 cup after lunch. Now that I have a grinder that I can single dose and adjust easily, I have also started to have a cup of decaf in the evening if i fancy one. Every time, I am heating up 3L of water for the sake of a 60ml espresso and some steamed milk. Due to the nature of the E61 group head, the warm-up time for that machine is around 45 minutes, so I almost have to plan every time I want a coffee. I know there are people who leave their machine on all day long, but this is not for me, as the machine is in the kitchen and the kitchen is small.

                So I thought of buying a La Pavoni Europicola or Professional. Great machines, but they have issues around stability. Moreover, I'd rather keep to the 58mm PF size so I can re-use most of my stuff (tampers, distributors, baskets, etc).

                Then I came across the Pro-300. An entry level dual boiler, with much small boilers than the Pro-700. For me, the main advantage is the heat up time: If what they say is true, the machine can come up to temp is less than 10 minutes. For me, that's just ideal.

                So I ask the esteemed forum members here their opinion. How does one compare to the other? How does it compare In terms of shot quality? What about steaming power? Is the downgrade worth the while in your opinion?

                Please let me know if I have gone totally insane. :-)
                Interesting. I am looking at going the other way and upgrade from single boiler. But one of the things I like is the fast heat up time. I love the sound of an e61 group head and to improve my coffee experience but be able to steam at the same time vs waiting. Will have to give this some serious thought.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Dimal View Post
                  .. the inevitable will be happening in a couple of weeks time and the beloved DJE DB will be listed 4-Sale.
                  Gees, that's tough Mal. I hope it finds a good home, hopefully locally where you can enjoy visiting rights

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                  • #24
                    Mal sorry to read about your health - I definitely feel you have earned a gold watch, and I have only been reading your pearls of wisdom for 6 months! For the long termers it must feel like a lifetime. Good luck in the next stage of coffee making.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                      Do you plan to continue roasting?
                      Absolutely mate, not giving up coffee just yet.
                      My lovely wife and youngest son help out when I need it...

                      Mal.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Dimal View Post
                        Absolutely mate, not giving up coffee just yet.
                        My lovely wife and youngest son help out when I need it...

                        Mal.
                        Good to hear Mal.

                        Family! where would we be without them.

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                        • #27
                          Mal, can your family be coaxed in to helping passing snobs going north to Toowoomba or is that pushing things? :-) I've always meant to ask you for any cafe recommendations for Warwick? (or better to wait until Twba?)

                          On topic I highly endorse downsizing and changing up coffee brewing methods and machines. :-)

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by sacsnob View Post
                            BES920 is a good dual boiler machine, the only downside is it does not last as long, though with the recent $690 deal it'd be a non-issue. If I have not had a machine at home I'd have bought it in a heart beat.
                            Was the deciding factor for me to take the plunge! So far my own concerns of 'downsizing' so dramatically have been unfounded. Been pulling pretty good and consistent shots, awesome microfoam milk, easy to clean. There is a lot to like!

                            But yes I am not kidding myself the build quality is nowhere near the same as its Italian counterparts and it will give out much sooner ....hopefully by then I'll be ready to upgrade to some extent!

                            Or, and not that its all about the $$ but I'd still be ahead by a long shot (ha!) cost wise if I even just went and bought another Breville! Time will tell but for now am enjoying being 'back in the game' !

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                            • #29
                              Just hopefully less of the bad bang. Sounds like there could be some magic smoke wanting to get out. 🤣

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Crema_Lad View Post
                                Was the deciding factor for me to take the plunge! So far my own concerns of 'downsizing' so dramatically have been unfounded. Been pulling pretty good and consistent shots, awesome microfoam milk, easy to clean. There is a lot to like!

                                But yes I am not kidding myself the build quality is nowhere near the same as its Italian counterparts and it will give out much sooner ....hopefully by then I'll be ready to upgrade to some extent!

                                Or, and not that its all about the $$ but I'd still be ahead by a long shot (ha!) cost wise if I even just went and bought another Breville! Time will tell but for now am enjoying being 'back in the game' !

                                I would not worry about it too much, have owned a couple of its italian counterparts in the past, nothing lasted me more than 2 years before the xxxxgradetis kicked in. For that money you have dual boiler, PID, preinfusion, shot timer, timer switch, you name it. there has to be a trade-off somewhere.

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