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  • andysgalant
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    Hi all i have the Pro 700, my better half got me a WeMo switch from belkin eBay link removed as per the Site Posting Policy
    the advantage is you can turn it on by timer or when your on the way home from work ect, it wont speed up the warm up time
    but it does make the machine more uasable
    Last edited by Javaphile; 8 April 2018, 10:46 AM. Reason: eBay link(s) removed

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  • MediumRoastSteam
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    Originally posted by suvartet View Post
    Hey MRS, I've been using the Pro 300 with a single dosing grinder setup for about the last 10 months. I was considering the Pro 700 before I purchased my setup. Decided against going to the 700 for pretty much the reasons you listed in your original post (heatup, size)

    The heatup time is accurate. The ring group (and portafilter) will take about an extra 5min to get hot, but 10-15min is sufficient. Handy for turning on whenever guests arrive or if you want an evening coffee.

    Steam power is going to be a step down. But it's sufficient for steaming single cup drinks.
    It'll take less than 20seconds to steam milk for a 180ml latte/capp. Steaming and brewing at the same time is great.

    You will also lose preinfusion. As long as you distribute well it's not a huge issue.

    If you have any specific questions feel free to PM me.
    Thank you for this suvartet, appreciate it.

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  • MediumRoastSteam
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    Originally posted by 338 View Post
    Johnd, good suggestion but I don't think it is the boiler causing the slow warm up time as much as the few kilograms of brass called the E-61 grouphead.

    MSR, one suggestion which will give you higher ambient temperature and ready availability of reasonable water for warming flushes is - move to Australia.
    Ha! That would be a good reason then not to get rid of the Pro-700!

    On a serious note, thank you for all the messages. I came to the conclusion here that keeping the Pro-700 is the right thing to do. Just a bit of planning ahead (or some flushing in preparation) will do the trick nicely. Thanks everyone, really appreciate it.

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  • 338
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    Johnd, good suggestion but I don't think it is the boiler causing the slow warm up time as much as the few kilograms of brass called the E-61 grouphead.

    MSR, one suggestion which will give you higher ambient temperature and ready availability of reasonable water for warming flushes is - move to Australia.

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  • Johnd80
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    Originally posted by MediumRoastSteam View Post
    Thanks! Those are reassuring comments. I do use a timer for the morning, but don't like flushing too much water through as I feed the machine with bottled water.

    However, y our point regarding the E61 is reassuring: I think sometimes it is easy to get used to something and expect everything else to be just e same. Thanks!
    Dare I suggest that instead of getting rid of the 700 you switch off the steam boiler and get one of those cheap frothing gadgets used with the pod machines. Not as good microform perhaps but quick and the brew boiler has priority heating and is smaller.

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  • suvartet
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    Originally posted by MediumRoastSteam View Post
    Hi all, thanks for your input.

    So, I had an HX machine before and, let's say, we didn't get on. I like the reproducibility of a dual boiler. Besides, in Southern England the water is really hard, thus my machine is fed with a bottled water which is soft (not too soft) and won't scale the boiler. Because of that, cooling flushes are a no-no for me. As you may have guessed therefore, the machine is not plumbed in and I don't really have a need or desire to do so given my usage.

    So, the main thing about heating up, as well as the boilers, is the E61 group head. To be fair as you may know already, the P-700 is up to boiler temp in less than 10 minutes. However, due to the heavy mass of the E61, it will take another 35 minutes for that to be ready. Hence one needs to plan when one wants a cup of coffee. :-) And that's the appeal of the P-300. Not only the small boiler size, thus slightly more compact than its big sister, but the fact that the ring group is mounted directly below the boiler as 338 says.

    Would be interesting to hear from anyone who had both type of machines before - or the Pro-300 - and know their opinions.
    Hey MRS, I've been using the Pro 300 with a single dosing grinder setup for about the last 10 months. I was considering the Pro 700 before I purchased my setup. Decided against going to the 700 for pretty much the reasons you listed in your original post (heatup, size)

    The heatup time is accurate. The ring group (and portafilter) will take about an extra 5min to get hot, but 10-15min is sufficient. Handy for turning on whenever guests arrive or if you want an evening coffee.

    Steam power is going to be a step down. But it's sufficient for steaming single cup drinks.
    It'll take less than 20seconds to steam milk for a 180ml latte/capp. Steaming and brewing at the same time is great.

    You will also lose preinfusion. As long as you distribute well it's not a huge issue.

    If you have any specific questions feel free to PM me.

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  • matth3wh
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    Mal I feared that may have been the case. Can't remember the last time we ventured off the highway to the CBD to find out. The other battle when travelling is the 3pm or 4pm closing time cut off.

    Now for a very loose segway back on topic... Perhaps someone could downsize their machine, buy a commercial one to use by day and have your cheaper one by night. Help the good people of Warwick! Come on people!? Where's your coffee spirit?

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  • Dimal
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    Originally posted by matth3wh View Post
    Mal, can your family be coaxed in to helping passing snobs going north to Toowoomba or is that pushing things? :-) I've always meant to ask you for any cafe recommendations for Warwick? (or better to wait until Twba?)
    Haha...

    No mate, I'd be hanging on until you get to Toowoomba for anything half decent.
    Only a couple of chain outposts here in Warwick where the best that could be said is, only if you're very desperate...

    Mal.

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  • sacsnob
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    Originally posted by Crema_Lad View Post
    Was the deciding factor for me to take the plunge! So far my own concerns of 'downsizing' so dramatically have been unfounded. Been pulling pretty good and consistent shots, awesome microfoam milk, easy to clean. There is a lot to like!

    But yes I am not kidding myself the build quality is nowhere near the same as its Italian counterparts and it will give out much sooner ....hopefully by then I'll be ready to upgrade to some extent!

    Or, and not that its all about the $$ but I'd still be ahead by a long shot (ha!) cost wise if I even just went and bought another Breville! Time will tell but for now am enjoying being 'back in the game' !

    I would not worry about it too much, have owned a couple of its italian counterparts in the past, nothing lasted me more than 2 years before the xxxxgradetis kicked in. For that money you have dual boiler, PID, preinfusion, shot timer, timer switch, you name it. there has to be a trade-off somewhere.

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  • matth3wh
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    Just hopefully less of the bad bang. Sounds like there could be some magic smoke wanting to get out. 🤣

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  • Crema_Lad
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    Originally posted by sacsnob View Post
    BES920 is a good dual boiler machine, the only downside is it does not last as long, though with the recent $690 deal it'd be a non-issue. If I have not had a machine at home I'd have bought it in a heart beat.
    Was the deciding factor for me to take the plunge! So far my own concerns of 'downsizing' so dramatically have been unfounded. Been pulling pretty good and consistent shots, awesome microfoam milk, easy to clean. There is a lot to like!

    But yes I am not kidding myself the build quality is nowhere near the same as its Italian counterparts and it will give out much sooner ....hopefully by then I'll be ready to upgrade to some extent!

    Or, and not that its all about the $$ but I'd still be ahead by a long shot (ha!) cost wise if I even just went and bought another Breville! Time will tell but for now am enjoying being 'back in the game' !

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  • matth3wh
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    Mal, can your family be coaxed in to helping passing snobs going north to Toowoomba or is that pushing things? :-) I've always meant to ask you for any cafe recommendations for Warwick? (or better to wait until Twba?)

    On topic I highly endorse downsizing and changing up coffee brewing methods and machines. :-)

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  • Yelta
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    Originally posted by Dimal View Post
    Absolutely mate, not giving up coffee just yet.
    My lovely wife and youngest son help out when I need it...

    Mal.
    Good to hear Mal.

    Family! where would we be without them.

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  • Dimal
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    Originally posted by Yelta View Post
    Do you plan to continue roasting?
    Absolutely mate, not giving up coffee just yet.
    My lovely wife and youngest son help out when I need it...

    Mal.

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  • 338
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    Mal sorry to read about your health - I definitely feel you have earned a gold watch, and I have only been reading your pearls of wisdom for 6 months! For the long termers it must feel like a lifetime. Good luck in the next stage of coffee making.

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