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  • Sunbeam 6910 v EM7000

    Ahhrrr this process of finding a replacement machine is proving to be rather frustrating (not to mention time consuming).

    Where my search has taken me so far:
    • Really, really, really wanting one of the Italian made machines but can't aford any with a twin boiler (or other twin heating arrangement) and after having twin thermoblock in my current 6910 I worry that I would find the espresso making process frustrating wile I wait for temp in the boiler to adjust.
    • Was very keen on the Breville DB seeing this as the solution to my dilemma but cold water was poured on that idea when the lovely wife felt it was too big and bulky for our kitchen bench
    • Back to considering single boiler machines like the Rancillio Silivia and Lelit etc etc but see point 1.
    • Now thinkning that maybe I will just stick with what I have got (a 6910).


    So my questions for the CS brains trust:
    • Is the 6910 I buy today the same as the one I have (my current machine has been with me with no real issues outside of understandable wear and tare for 10+ years)
    • Is it still possible to purchase the 6910 as a stand alone unit - I seem to have only come across them paired with a grinder and I am very happy with my Rancillio Rocky grinder?
    • Is there a marked difference between the 6910 and the EM7000 - which do you consider to be the better machine (ie which do you feel produces the better coffee)?
    • Given that I don't want a grinder built in is it worth considering the Breville "Infuser"? Is this essentially the "Barista Express" without the grinder?


    And finally is anoybody going to mount a strong arguement that could sway me to overcome my reservations about a single boiler unit by argueing that the coffee produced by such a machine would offset any incovienence caused by the single boiler limitation.

    Thanks in advance for your assistance and input.

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    Sunbeam 6910 v EM7000

    Dare I suggest to live dangerously and just get the BDB

    Sounds a good fit (see what I did there!) for you feature and price wise. I think once you have it on the bench and the bruises go down you will both be very happy ongoing!!

    Appreciate you might have a super tight kitchen but if it helps here's a photo of my setup in a corner of our kitchen, with kettle as a 'scale' of sorts.

    Good Luck!! Can't say I didn't try to help lol!!

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    • #3
      Smallish hx for sale in rural vic that would be a good buy. 5 years old is nothing for one of these.

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      • #4
        Oops, think my post here is still relevant but thought I was posting to your other thread focussed on the Breville option

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Crema_Lad View Post
          Oops, think my post here is still relevant but thought I was posting to your other thread focussed on the Breville option
          Haha yes still relevant. Not sure you appreciate how long those bruises would last though

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mattm14 View Post
            Ahhrrr this process of finding a replacement machine is proving to be rather frustrating (not to mention time consuming).

            Where my search has taken me so far:
            • Really, really, really wanting one of the Italian made machines but can't aford any with a twin boiler (or other twin heating arrangement) and after having twin thermoblock in my current 6910 I worry that I would find the espresso making process frustrating wile I wait for temp in the boiler to adjust.
            • Was very keen on the Breville DB seeing this as the solution to my dilemma but cold water was poured on that idea when the lovely wife felt it was too big and bulky for our kitchen bench
            • Back to considering single boiler machines like the Rancillio Silivia and Lelit etc etc but see point 1.
            • Now thinkning that maybe I will just stick with what I have got (a 6910).


            So my questions for the CS brains trust:
            • Is the 6910 I buy today the same as the one I have (my current machine has been with me with no real issues outside of understandable wear and tare for 10+ years)
            • Is it still possible to purchase the 6910 as a stand alone unit - I seem to have only come across them paired with a grinder and I am very happy with my Rancillio Rocky grinder?
            • Is there a marked difference between the 6910 and the EM7000 - which do you consider to be the better machine (ie which do you feel produces the better coffee)?
            • Given that I don't want a grinder built in is it worth considering the Breville "Infuser"? Is this essentially the "Barista Express" without the grinder?


            And finally is anoybody going to mount a strong arguement that could sway me to overcome my reservations about a single boiler unit by argueing that the coffee produced by such a machine would offset any incovienence caused by the single boiler limitation.

            Thanks in advance for your assistance and input.
            G'day Mattm14

            I have posted a few times on the difference between 6910s and 7000s. If your 6910 is pre 2010 (sounds like it) then you may be disappointed with the lack of grunt of an of your alternatives compared to what you know. Yesterdays posting effort was:-

            http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...tml#post611171.

            An earlier one tries to get an early 6910 to later 7000 owner over the hump - it half only worked.

            http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...tml#post608824

            The Breville DBs (as I stated in above post) are like my 2 group La Pav : half an hour (and half a power station) to warm up and the resulting coffee is no better anyway*.

            If you really want a much better coffee go for a manual lever (I lived with a Silvia and a manual lever Electra for a few years). Expect a few domestics until you lose your P Plates... they can take a bit of mastering. My Electra would have made more sink shots initially than all my other "machines post setup" added together - balanced by the odd heavenly shot to keep me motivated.

            Oh, if you are a "coffee with milk" drinking house then single boilers are a bad joke - especially undersized ones. My Miss S was mainly a milk frother unless I was too fagged to concentrate on the Electra's quirks.

            TampIt

            * Grinders make way more difference, and home users have the luxury of taking their time and optimising each shot to get it exactly right. Most people I train get better coffee out of fine tuning the gear in front of them (any 6910+ machines right up to GS3s and Stradas) than changing machines anyway.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mattm14 View Post
              Haha yes still relevant. Not sure you appreciate how long those bruises would last though
              Having tried it and lived to tell the tale (I've just started walking again) I can certainly relate

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              • #8
                There is a sale on at the moment that brings the EM7000 down to $559 from Myer eBay.

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                • #9
                  That is great buying

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                  • #10
                    I bought the EM 7000 for $599 @ Harvey Norman last week. I believe it has been reduced since the release of the EM 7100 ($999 RRP) Apart from the added ability to use those absurd coffee pods to make stale brown water, I am not sure of any other differences

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TampIt View Post
                      G'day Mattm14

                      I have posted a few times on the difference between 6910s and 7000s. If your 6910 is pre 2010 (sounds like it) then you may be disappointed with the lack of grunt of an of your alternatives compared to what you know. Yesterdays posting effort was:-

                      http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...tml#post611171.

                      An earlier one tries to get an early 6910 to later 7000 owner over the hump - it half only worked.

                      http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...tml#post608824

                      The Breville DBs (as I stated in above post) are like my 2 group La Pav : half an hour (and half a power station) to warm up and the resulting coffee is no better anyway*.

                      If you really want a much better coffee go for a manual lever (I lived with a Silvia and a manual lever Electra for a few years). Expect a few domestics until you lose your P Plates... they can take a bit of mastering. My Electra would have made more sink shots initially than all my other "machines post setup" added together - balanced by the odd heavenly shot to keep me motivated.

                      Oh, if you are a "coffee with milk" drinking house then single boilers are a bad joke - especially undersized ones. My Miss S was mainly a milk frother unless I was too fagged to concentrate on the Electra's quirks.

                      TampIt

                      * Grinders make way more difference, and home users have the luxury of taking their time and optimising each shot to get it exactly right. Most people I train get better coffee out of fine tuning the gear in front of them (any 6910+ machines right up to GS3s and Stradas) than changing machines anyway.
                      Thanks TampIT, it was that thread describing the struggles of another EM7000 owner that caused me to doubt the sense of that particular route to my next machine.

                      The lever / manual machine are not unattractive but (not having researched them in any detail) do they not present the same issues in regards to juggling of water temps between the espresso shot and the steaming of milk? I see some of them have a steam wand but are they effective?

                      Matt

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                      • #12
                        JBHiFi NZ had the EM7100 on a super special of $488NZ the other week for a few days, very surprising considering NZ is usually the dearest for everything . Imagine can get some similar good deals easily in Aussie.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 2Cups View Post
                          JBHiFi NZ had the EM7100 on a super special of $488NZ the other week for a few days, very surprising considering NZ is usually the dearest for everything . Imagine can get some similar good deals easily in Aussie.
                          That is a good deal. I dropped into my local jb hifi the other day and they had it for a similar price. All be it in A$. It was about the only Sunbeam machine they had compared to 4 or 5 Brevilles but no BDB to be seen.

                          I came across an old thread on here describing using a spacer under the group head seal to compensate for a worn collar. I'm going to give this a go as a short tern solution for my 6910 while I continue my deliberations (procrastination). Hopefully that might stop the old girl spitting at me ��.

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                          • #14
                            Well Crema_Lad I showed the lady of the house your pic and her only comment was ........ "it's just big" *sigh*

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                            • #15
                              Bugger She needs to appreciate that for your coffee making abilities to expand so does the size of the machine, just a tad . And it's no wider than a toaster but produces something much better than toast

                              I feel for you but after seeing the smaller single boiler Sunbeam I do see the size difference. It's gonna restrict your ability to get a machine with improved features vs get a new similar machine. Good Luck!!

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