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  • #16
    I was in the same position as you exactly 1 year ago and it came down to a choice between the Bezzera BZ10 from Appliances Online and Breville Dual Boiler from The Goodguys.
    Both were available from Ebay with an additional Ebay20% discount so the BZ10 was about $1400 and DB was $720.
    I chose the DB and could not be happier, both have fast heat up times but there is extensive CoffeeSnobs support for the DB and half the price of BZ10.

    https://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-e...rs-thread.html

    Valvster

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Valvster View Post
      I was in the same position as you exactly 1 year ago and it came down to a choice between the Bezzera BZ10 from Appliances Online and Breville Dual Boiler from The Goodguys.
      Both were available from Ebay with an additional Ebay20% discount so the BZ10 was about $1400 and DB was $720.
      I chose the DB and could not be happier, both have fast heat up times but there is extensive CoffeeSnobs support for the DB and half the price of BZ10.

      https://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-e...rs-thread.html

      Valvster
      Thanks for the reply Valvster.
      I haven't looked at the Bezzera....will check it out.
      It's funny, I was very tempted by the Breville DB when it first launched. It was quite the machine for-the-money at that time. The features were pretty mind blowing
      I have zero doubt it makes great coffee, but I have always been suss about reliability of "those kind of plastic machines" y'know.....no offence intended, I am aware of my irrational snobbery. Can you get parts for them easily? Are they user serviceable?
      I forgot eBay discounts too.....I took advantage of it to buy my last phone actually. Maybe after xmas they'll have a big sale....

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      • #18
        Originally posted by BrownMouth View Post
        I think it's an E61 from the photos ??
        Originally posted by coolie21 View Post
        The expobar office machines have a smaller footprint and probably better designed for home use. They are Hx E61 type.
        Neither of the machines referred to have E61 groupheads as far as I can see.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Lyrebird View Post
          Neither of the machines referred to have E61 groupheads as far as I can see.
          Which is why I said "E61 type"

          Its their own version of the E61 patent which AFAIK works in a very similar way.

          Nor sure why this minor detail would be a game changer for anyone choosing a machine?

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          • #20
            No, they're not E-61 Groups...

            Still based on an original Faema design but there is no pre-infusion facility and the group exhaust is taken care of by a 3-Way Solenoid...

            Mal.

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            • #21
              To clear up the confusion about the Breville DB, it uses a 58mm portafilter. I have been using a VST 18g basket and Pullman tamper with it for around 3 years. Parts are readily available and the pump is a standard Ulka, the 3-way valve is a standard one. If you feed them good water, clean them and descale regularly they will last quite a while. Much less than a fully metal equivalent, but you're paying around ¼ the price for the features. Coffee quality is as good as the beans and grinder you pair it with. I noticed a massive step up when I swapped the BCG820 for a Eureka Atom.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by level3ninja View Post
                To clear up the confusion about the Breville DB, it uses a 58mm portafilter. I have been using a VST 18g basket and Pullman tamper with it for around 3 years. Parts are readily available and the pump is a standard Ulka, the 3-way valve is a standard one. If you feed them good water, clean them and descale regularly they will last quite a while. Much less than a fully metal equivalent, but you're paying around ¼ the price for the features. Coffee quality is as good as the beans and grinder you pair it with. I noticed a massive step up when I swapped the BCG820 for a Eureka Atom.
                Thanks ninja.
                I have a few different pf's and baskets... so it's good to know I can use them if I go down the Breville road.

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                • #23
                  You won't be able to use other portafilters, only ones designed for it, 58mm baskets no worries.

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                  • #24
                    I think I've narrowed it down to 2 choices....

                    BDB vs Oscar II (used one in FS section)

                    This is a debate the snobs have seen before no doubt?

                    It's features vs horsepower,
                    Plastic vs chrome,
                    LCD vs semi-auto buttons,
                    Gentle steam vs The Tornado,
                    Australia vs Italy,
                    Innovation vs tradition....

                    Help me choose the one my wife will like the most! [emoji16]

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by BrownMouth View Post
                      Australia vs Italy,

                      Help me choose the one my wife will like the most! [emoji16]
                      The Breville is made in China - but the street the brand is named after is in Australia

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by 338 View Post
                        The Breville is made in China - but the street the brand is named after is in Australia
                        Perfect!

                        And the Oscar is made by Simonelli.... and my name is Simon.
                        Is that a sign??

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by BrownMouth View Post
                          I think I've narrowed it down to 2 choices....

                          BDB vs Oscar II (used one in FS section)

                          This is a debate the snobs have seen before no doubt?

                          It's features vs horsepower,
                          Plastic vs chrome,
                          LCD vs semi-auto buttons,
                          Gentle steam vs The Tornado,
                          Australia vs Italy,
                          Innovation vs tradition....

                          Help me choose the one my wife will like the most! [emoji16]
                          Haha well put. 2 good choices

                          You could add "new v s/hand"
                          or even compare future second hand value of each model (Oscar would win this)

                          But we can't help you by telling you which is 'right' for you

                          Good luck!

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by 338 View Post
                            BM and Tampit, you may want to chech that Tampit hasn't mistyped before you get any accessories based on this advice. Pretty sure this is a mistype and the Sunbeam and Breville take the same 58mm baskets as your Sylvia.
                            Thanks 338 for proofreading it better than I managed at the time.

                            Yep, it was late at night and TampIt didn't chech it well enough and had typoed the number badly - it is a standard commercial 58.4mm basket (just like every other one in my collection apart from a couple of 49mm Electra refugees). AFAIknow you cannot get VSTs in any other size.

                            Unfortunately it is too late to edit the size...

                            Enjoy your cuppa


                            TampIt

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