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  • Lelit Victoria - troubleshooting

    Hi guys,

    I picked up the Lelit Victoria machine this morning and I have come across a few things that I was hoping to be able to clarify with experienced members here.

    I was able to pull some decent shots by my standard but when I remove the portafilter afterwards, the puck looks quite soupy and the surface is uneven. There are also remnant coffee on the shower screen. I've tried changing the dose from anywhere between 14g to 18g and I couldn't get a nice looking puck. What could I be doing wrong?

    Secondly, there are two tubes going into the water tank. One is shorter and on the longer tube there is water filter at the end of the tube. Does it matter whether the shorter tube, which I presume is the OPV exhaust tube, is submerged in the water or not?

    Lastly, I backflushed the machine with water after each session and on both occasions I've had water coming out from the grouphead. When I was backflushung the second time, water was dripping along the portafilter handle so I had to put some towel underneath. I can't imagine this is normal? Not sure whether I perhaps didn't lock the portafilter properly but this has been nagging me. I will try again tomorrow but I would appreciate it if someone could clarify.

    Thanks!

  • #2
    Originally posted by coladuna View Post
    the puck looks quite soupy and the surface is uneven. There are also remnant coffee on the shower screen. I've tried changing the dose from anywhere between 14g to 18g and I couldn't get a nice looking puck. What could I be doing wrong?
    Grind possibly too fine

    Originally posted by coladuna View Post
    Does it matter whether the shorter tube, which I presume is the OPV exhaust tube, is submerged in the water or not?
    No

    Originally posted by coladuna View Post
    Not sure whether I perhaps didn't lock the portafilter properly but this has been nagging me.
    Most likely portafilter not tight enough. Should be locked in as when making coffee.

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    • #3
      Soupy puck means not enough coffee in the basket. Add more.

      Submerge tube or not -- I don't know.

      Water spilling from portafilter -- you need a new group head seal.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by robusto View Post
        Soupy puck means not enough coffee in the basket. Add more.

        Submerge tube or not -- I don't know.

        Water spilling from portafilter -- you need a new group head seal.
        The manual for the coffee machine says 14g for double though. I went up as much as 18g and it was still slightly soupy.

        Water only leaked during backflushing and this machine has seen only 5 months of use. If it really requires a new seal, warranty claim it is.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by saeco_user View Post
          Grind possibly too fine
          I did dial it in based on getting 60ml of coffee in about 27-30sec however. Making it coarser would make it far too quick? Is it perhaps the beans are too fresh? They were roasted on 23rd October.

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          • #6
            I was going to ask about to amount of extracted coffee you are aiming for.
            Sixty mls/grams is way over extracted for an espresso.

            It is based on the outmoded Italian style of 7 grams per 30 mls single, 14 for 60 double...and probably three teaspoons of sugar to mask the shortcomings!

            If you want a good-tasting, thick espresso, about half that would be the aim for 18 grams of grounds. Even less for ristrettos.

            So 18 grams of grounds to produce 20-30 grams of extracted coffee.

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            • #7
              I doubt "too" fresh beans would cause a soupy puck.
              Could still be puck prep issues.
              The other option is the 3 way valve at the group is not working correctly at the end of the shot.
              Could be a bad valve or the group seal is damaged /not sitting properly.
              Also are you locking the group handle in tightly enough?
              What is the pressure during an extraction?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by robusto View Post
                I was going to ask about to amount of extracted coffee you are aiming for.
                Sixty mls/grams is way over extracted for an espresso.

                It is based on the outmoded Italian style of 7 grams per 30 mls single, 14 for 60 double...and probably three teaspoons of sugar to mask the shortcomings!

                If you want a good-tasting, thick espresso, about half that would be the aim for 18 grams of grounds. Even less for ristrettos.

                So 18 grams of grounds to produce 20-30 grams of extracted coffee.
                Wow really? It's actually the first time I've heard of using that much coffee to yield so little coffee! Not saying you are wrong or anything since I'm a noob

                This morning the puck actually stuck to the shower screen as well

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by saeco_user View Post
                  I doubt "too" fresh beans would cause a soupy puck.
                  Could still be puck prep issues.
                  The other option is the 3 way valve at the group is not working correctly at the end of the shot.
                  Could be a bad valve or the group seal is damaged /not sitting properly.
                  Also are you locking the group handle in tightly enough?
                  What is the pressure during an extraction?
                  Water leaking from grouphead was obviously just me not locking the portafilter tight enough. Backflush worked fine this morning without leaking.

                  Now just need to sort out the soupy puck issue...

                  Tried 16g coffee this morning and the puck stuck to the shower screen.

                  Pressure wise, the gauge is always in the green zone. Anywhere between 10-12.

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                  • #10
                    12 Bar is excessive, as it happens...
                    Sounds like your machine would benefit from a small adjustment to the OPV setting such that the gauge never exceeds an observed pressure of 10 Bar with the Blind Filter installed.

                    Mal.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dimal View Post
                      12 Bar is excessive, as it happens...
                      Sounds like your machine would benefit from a small adjustment to the OPV setting such that the gauge never exceeds an observed pressure of 10 Bar with the Blind Filter installed.

                      Mal.
                      As far as I know, it comes configured to 12 bars from factory and I don't think it can be changed officially?

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                      • #12
                        It should have been adjusted down to provide 9.0 Bar at the coffee puck by the specialist retailer from whom you purchased it, as part of the pre-sale setup.
                        It is also a user configurable adjustment, you are adjusting it down to where it should have been, not up to some exorbitant pressure.

                        Mal.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dimal View Post
                          It should have been adjusted down to provide 9.0 Bar at the coffee puck by the specialist retailer from whom you purchased it, as part of the pre-sale setup.
                          It is also a user configurable adjustment, you are adjusting it down to where it should have been, not up to some exorbitant pressure.

                          Mal.
                          It came with supplementary instruction from Jetblack coffee so not sure whether it was purchased from Jetblack originally? Or does Jetblack Coffee import and supply these machines in Australia?
                          Will give the store a call this morning regardless.
                          Thanks!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by coladuna View Post
                            It came with supplementary instruction from Jetblack coffee so not sure whether it was purchased from Jetblack originally? Or does Jetblack Coffee import and supply these machines in Australia? Will give the store a call this morning regardless.Thanks!
                            Yes JetBlack Espresso are the official Australian distributor for Lelit and Profitec. They are also a Site Sponsor.

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                            • #15
                              Agree with Mal, you should set a blind basket pressure of 9 bar, 10 at very most, but 9 is best.

                              Twelve bar is blasting your puck, especially if the pre-infusion is also not set properly, and increasing the possibility of channelling.

                              In any case, the combination of high pressure and 60 ml extractions from 14 to 16 grams of grinds must be producing some very undrinkable espresso.

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