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  • #16
    Re: Newbie About to Buy a Saeco Incanto Sirius

    Thanks JavaB.

    Peter

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    • #17
      Re: Newbie About to Buy a Saeco Incanto Sirius

      Im getting really good input from all of you here. Thanks! Ive been reading up on reviews of the gear recommended by the CS experts online and I am already checking out Rancilio and Mazzer suppliers from here (none) and even from there and from Hong Kong! With airfare from Manila to HK at US 150 these days, I might be able to hop on a plane, buy the gear, shop and dine a bit, and then hand carry everything back to Manila, all in one day.

      Heres another newbie question - with a Rancilio Silvia/Mazzer Mini combo, how quickly would I be able to serve coffee drinks to, say, 5 to 10 people, given that I am a newbie? Any of you folks done this?

      Thanks!

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      • #18
        Re: Newbie About to Buy a Saeco Incanto Sirius

        Originally posted by dante link=1190001171/15#16 date=1190162183

        Heres another newbie question - with a Rancilio Silvia/Mazzer Mini combo, how quickly would I be able to serve coffee drinks to, say, 5 to 10 people, given that I am a newbie? Any of you folks done this?

        Thanks!
        If they are just espresso, about as fast as you can grind, dose, tamp and pour doubles.
        If they are milk based drinks, another issue that I didnt see mentioned earlier, the superautos take forever to steam milk compared to Silvia.
        I have done about 7 or 8 drinks in about 10 minutes.
        The Silvia will happily steam a half filled 1 litre jug, which will give you 4 modest or 3 large milk based drinks.
        With some practice you can happily churn out 4 drinks in about 5 minutes or maybe a bit less, then you will have to refill boiler and wait, briefly, for boiler to stabilise back to brew temp, so about 15-18 minutes should do up to 16 milk based drinks.

        Regards
        Bullitt

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        • #19
          Re: Newbie About to Buy a Saeco Incanto Sirius

          Originally posted by Bullitt link=1190001171/15#17 date=1190172529
          Originally posted by dante link=1190001171/15#16 date=1190162183

          Heres another newbie question - with a Rancilio Silvia/Mazzer Mini combo, how quickly would I be able to serve coffee drinks to, say, 5 to 10 people, given that I am a newbie? Any of you folks done this?

          Thanks!
          If they are just espresso, about as fast as you can grind, dose, tamp and pour doubles.
          If they are milk based drinks, another issue that I didnt see mentioned earlier, the superautos take forever to steam milk compared to Silvia.
          I have done about 7 or 8 drinks in about 10 minutes.
          The Silvia will happily steam a half filled 1 litre jug, which will give you 4 modest or 3 large milk based drinks.
          With some practice you can happily churn out 4 drinks in about 5 minutes or maybe a bit less, then you will have to refill boiler and wait, briefly, for boiler to stabilise back to brew temp, so about 15-18 minutes should do up to 16 milk based drinks.

          Regards
          Bullitt
          Wow... thats fast! You must have had a lot of practice! I should time myself next time I do that many milk drinks...

          But at the moment, Ive done about 8 milk drinks at one go in two lots (lets assume machine is heated and ready to go and I dont have dosered grinder, so adding grind times to all this): pull 2 doubles into 4 cups including grind, dose, distribute, tamp, lock and load, and brew (3 mins), flick to steam and wait (45 secs - start steaming before steam light goes out), steam about 400 mls of milk which comes out to about 600ml volume for 150 ml per cup (1 min), turn off steam, cooling flush (30 secs) to get back to brewing temps and wait (30sec-1min), while waiting pour milk and serve first lot, then repeated above. All up, about 6-7 mins for 4 drinks, 12-14 mins for 8, but I gotta tell you, I was pretty stressed out! Like you said, with practice, this will become easier. Also, with a doser, coffee all pre-ground just before the party would make things a heck of a lot easier.

          Dante: the Macap M4/5 is considered on-par with the Mazzer, so you might want to check that out too. If Im not wrong, the equivalent Macap is cheaper than the Mazzer... also, Id recommend going up to HX if you are consistently doing 10+ milk drinks! Check out the Nuova Simonelli Oscar someone else has already mentioned if money is going to be a factor or if it were me, Id go up a bit further to an Expobar Office, Diadema Junior or even higher to the Expobar Minore II or Vibiemme Domobar Super (which is what I really really want!!!).

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          • #20
            Re: Newbie About to Buy a Saeco Incanto Sirius

            I have the Macap and Expobar Leva.
            I havent timed doing that many drinks at once but it doesnt take long.
            The Expobar is a steam demon and the Macap easily keeps pace.

            The point is that my two machines are faster than I am.

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            • #21
              Re: Newbie About to Buy a Saeco Incanto Sirius

              Hi Guys

              Maybe I should let you know that I am a in the business of selling super autos with a CS site sponsor Gilkatho and I understand that many CS are dead set against superautos BUT I will have to defend Superautos as they do make a good/great coffee when the skills sets are not with the beholder. i.e. we have all probably had a bad coffee from an unskilled barista from a cafe somewhere. But I am also privileged to be selling one of the only superautos that do make a good coffee which of course in Jura. I will not elaborate too much about why superautos are great in their own right.

              As to assisting Dante.

              Dante as a fellow filipino born in quezon city "Mabuhay" may I suggest to you to see or call a company called Collins in Manila they carry Jura, WMF and LApavoni. They have an office in Pasay and are also located in some SM malls. They will be able to assist you in your coffee machine requirements and after sales service.

              Good luck and I hope that you will be able to make an informed coffee decision that will be suitable for your needs.

              Melanie
              Gilkatho

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              • #22
                Re: Newbie About to Buy a Saeco Incanto Sirius

                Originally posted by Gilkatho_mel link=1190001171/15#20 date=1190616105
                I will have to defend Superautos as they do make a good/great coffee when the skills sets are not with the beholder.
                Agreed, when the skillsets are lacking but until I taste a coffee from a Jura Ill lean towards "good" not "great".

                Originally posted by Gilkatho_mel link=1190001171/15#20 date=1190616105
                I am also privileged to be selling one of the only superautos that do make a good coffee which of course in Jura.
                Agreed, they have an excellent reputation.


                Originally posted by Gilkatho_mel link=1190001171/15#20 date=1190616105
                I will not elaborate too much about why superautos are great in their own right.
                If you are talking superautos in general and not just Jura, then I think you will need to elaborate.  

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                • #23
                  Re: Newbie About to Buy a Saeco Incanto Sirius

                  Hi Thundergod,

                  To be honest I can only speak for Jura Machines as my experience with other brands are quite minimal Other than what customers say about other brands. (Which usually isnt good thats why they come and see me)

                  ;D

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