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  • marcstolk
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    Talk_Coffee nailed it. Follow that advise.

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  • A_M
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    Originally posted by Thundergod link=1191584500/0#7 date=1191642563
    Flow rate should be about 60 mls in 10 seconds (without the PF).
    Thanks, saves me from trying the same thing a little later today...

    Then again, maybe I will just to see the outcome.

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  • Thundergod
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    Flow rate should be about 60 mls in 10 seconds (without the PF).

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  • A_M
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    Originally posted by javaboy link=1191584500/0#5 date=1191633792
    100ml out of teh box
    Sorry again AngerManagement for the confusion, my question was actually (re-phrasing it for clarity here) When there is no coffee in the handle, pressing the Single / Double buttons (as pre-set by the factory), I get 75mls and 100mls - is that about right or do I need less/more or it does not matter?

    Thanks again for your time.
    Not a problem, we all speak at times however how often do we truly communicate ?? Assumptions and that is what cause more problems.

    I for one have never tested the volume of water without coffee in the handle. As I have only ever been interested in the volume of my coffee shot, and more is not always merrier :-)

    As this volume is likely to change with tamp and grind etc... I usually do a quick check when I change beans. In addition, while I use the auto function, if I do not like the pour I will stop it, as I would prefer taste not volume. Quality not Quanty....

    However if nothing else, your replies may assist others and hence the importance of keeping everyone informed... even if it is a case of PEBFAM. Note: A slight variation to IT term PEBKAC.

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  • javaboy
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    100ml out of teh box
    Sorry again AngerManagement for the confusion, my question was actually (re-phrasing it for clarity here) When there is no coffee in the handle, pressing the Single / Double buttons (as pre-set by the factory), I get 75mls and 100mls - is that about right or do I need less/more or it does not matter?

    Thanks again for your time.

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  • javaboy
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    Hi All and thanks for your responses. I will keep trying... I guess it does take time.


    Regarding my comment "3) I have tried jamming a standard basked into the handle, which just fits but then am unable to screw the handle onto the head." responded to by AngerManagement: sorry, when I said standard I meant a third party one that is actually 14g (not the Sunbeam ones supplied in the box). It was in an attempt to move towards the 14g industry standard double-shot (rather than the 21-28g basket as supplied by Sunbeam), in order to get the variables down. Sorry for the confusion. I always use the double Sunbeam (not double floor) one otherwise.

    As for attending the course - I am in Canberra - "the Capital City" of Australia - the Sunbeam courses dont run here (nothing ever does :-) ) so have to go to Sydney or Melbourne for that.

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  • A_M
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    Originally posted by javaboy link=1191584500/0#0 date=1191584500
    Hi

    3) I have tried jamming a standard basked into the handle, which just fits but then am unable to screw the handle onto the head.
    Sorry this does not sound right at all... If you can not get it in the Group handle then there is already a basket in it or you have a major manufacturing fault ???

    You should have got 4 PF baskets.... When looking at the bottom, the two with the small square of indentations (actually only one hole) should be put back in your box with all the other crap.

    Use the large standard basket, and you will have progressed significantly.


    My tamp is quite hard.
    This will change with time and knowing your grind.

    Also what do people reckon about the pressure dial, is it worth following, i.e is the sweet-spot as labelled actually the sweet spot?
    I am for the junction point between the light brown and dark brown.. Some of my best shots come from 1/3 to 1/2 into the dark brown. I try to stay away from the red zone.

    My grind settings are around the 20 mark (on the 480 grinder) anything below 18, and I dont get anything which is strange as the book reckons it should be around 11 - 15. I know another guy with the same setup and they have theirs set to 24+ to get anything coming out!
    Again this is a problem for those who use the double filter baskets (The ones I told you to store), and have a half decent grinder.

    Or where their grinder is not set up correctly. However of all the ones I have seen it is due to people using the wrong baskets for the wrong grind.

    100ml out of teh box
    If you read the user manual I think you will note that you set this with coffee. Remember the coffee will take up some as well as the system when under pressure..

    However you also need to make sure your using the right filter basket and grind and bean before going off and making major changes to your system.


    If you still have major issues PM me...

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  • gaggiaboy
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    Chris has put you on the right track. Do the Sunbeam course. overdose always ( i overdose a mound up to 10mm above!) then tamp very firm but not hard. You must use fresh beans. You must get your grind right. I guess along the way somehow i developed a dose/tamp method and adjust my grind from there - ie does it stop the machine or can it pour. Thats not a good way of doing it but it will probably be a good guide.run thru water thru PF then dry with towel prioer to dose to heat it up and flush. hope it workx out keep us posted literally!

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  • TC
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    Hi Javaboy,

    Just as a start:

    1. Dose up and do so consistently and with absolute repeatability- so that you get a dry puck
    2. Ignore the gauge
    3. Look for drips that become a pour and never extract more than 30ml from a single/60ml from a double. Better still, cut the pour when you see the streams become light (i.e blonding)
    4. Invest in a competent trainer and course to look at what you do and assist you

    If you wish, my HX coffee tips might assist you somewhat- http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1167622442

    Good luck and feel free to make contact if I can assist

    Chris

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  • javaboy
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    Sunbeam 6910 and 480 Newbie

    Hi
    I have a couple of weeks ago bought a Sunbeam 6910 and the 480 grinder and was wondering how others were going with this machine. Some of the questions are quite similar to those already asked on the forums.

    Basically as a test, I bought some beans off the coffee guy who sells coffee from a van at work, only so that I could try to recreate the same taste at home as I am familiar with his coffee taste... but cant even get close to that.

    Things I have tried:

    1) Using the 25-30 second rule... I have been reading the forums and other things about the 25 second pour etc. but because the 6910 is basket is bigger than the standard double (apparently anything between 21 - 28g depending on who you listen to, where the standard is 14g) so I guess that rule no longer applies? What is the rule then?

    2) I went out and got me a snazzy Pullman Tamper too.

    3) I have tried jamming a standard basked into the handle, which just fits but then am unable to screw the handle onto the head.

    4) Have also tried dosing less (to get the 14g) so that the 6910 basket is only just more than 3/4 full, but that creates a sludgey puck and the taste is still different.

    5) The coffee guy suggested doing a Ristretto type shot, i.e cut off the pour early... but no joy.

    My tamp is quite hard.

    Also what do people reckon about the pressure dial, is it worth following, i.e is the sweet-spot as labelled actually the sweet spot?

    My grind settings are around the 20 mark (on the 480 grinder) anything below 18, and I dont get anything which is strange as the book reckons it should be around 11 - 15. I know another guy with the same setup and they have theirs set to 24+ to get anything coming out!

    Another thing is the size of the pour... out of the box the machine puts out I think 100ml for a double and 75 for a single (using the double and single buttons with no coffee in the handle). Is this about right?


    I used to have an automatic Saeco Magic Roma and find that the coffee is not *that* much better either.

    Sorry for all the questions...
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