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  • ozscott
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    The Rocky works very well with the EM I have found - I agree with Marc that the Sunbeam grinder is hard to dial in - hard (iimpossible really if dosing and tamping consistently) to reduce or increase pour times by small increments of say 2-3 seconds.

    Cheers

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  • marcstolk
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    Originally posted by m@ link=1206860674/30#42 date=1207273114
    Whatever else you do - read Gregs review here: http://www.coffeetamper.com.au/**/re...unbeam-silvia/

    Whichever machine you buy, I do recommend giving serious thought to a better grinder than the Sunbeam. No complaints with the machine though.
    Good advice... the Sunbeam grinder will do the job but it is noisy, slow and the adjustments are large which makes for a bugger to dial in your espresso pour - but you can work around this by adjusting your dosing which I find annoying... but not a issue now that the SJ is the main grinder in our household now ;-) And the Sunbeam grinder for decaf duties..

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  • Remy
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    Hi viktor, Im unable to give a comparsion between the EM6910 and the Silvia unfortunately, as I have had no experience at all with the Silvia.  All I can say is,.. that these idiosyncrasies which we have recently been calling quirks(and so may make is sound like this machine is full of bugs),..are just that...idiosyncrasies (Definition: a characteristic, habit, mannerism, or the like, that is peculiar to an individual,..and in this case,.. a coffee machine) All coffee machines have their own idiosyncrasies,...even the pointy end machines and i expect the Silvia will have its own set of idiosyncrasies.

    Having said that,.. I personally never thought any of these idiosyncrasies the EM6910 has...as problems with the machine. Most of the quirks mentioned in this thread werent problems at all,.. but rather a new user finding these idiosyncrasies strange enough that he thought the machines were faulty. My experience however was very different. Yes I saw the water under the tray, but realised the first time it happened that I mustnt have pushed the tray all the way in because I could see the lug at the back of the tray,..needed to go in the hole where the water comes out.  Yes I heard the gurgling and occasional squeaks,. but I could hear the gurgling then hear a dribble of water into the tray soon after the machine starts.  I was shocked at first with the noise,.particularly because of the three pumps at the start,.. but its funny because I dont even notice it now.

    It is a fast warm up,..press the button...go to the fridge and get your milk and jug out,.. get the rest of your gear out and before you have ground your beans...its ready to go.  Steaming is fantastic and can be done at the same time you pour the shot which I love!!  The only problems I have had with the EM6910 is getting the grind fineness right. This could probably be 95% contributed to the fact that before buying this machine, I knew absolutely nothing about making a coffee.  I had never even touched a PF or even seen one up close for that matter, let alone dose one, tamp one and try and pour a shot from one.

    Your best bet is to determine how you expect to use your new machine. I am pleased that I can walk in the door with visitors and begin to make coffees for them all within minutes,..foaming and pouring simultaneously etc.  

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  • Magic_Matt
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    Whatever else you do - read Gregs review here: http://www.coffeetamper.com.au/**/re...unbeam-silvia/

    Whichever machine you buy, I do recommend giving serious thought to a better grinder than the Sunbeam. No complaints with the machine though.

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  • greenman
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    Having Silvia in a work situation is probably not good as boiler needs to be recharged after steaming. If not done and boiler runs dry it will be damaged.
    After steaming milk as part of my routine I wipe steam wand clean and then turn on hot water switch and run until water instead of steam comes out of tip, this tops up the boiler and it is ready for next time.
    Properly looked after Silvia will last you 20 years whereas Sunbeam no-one knows? However you have to make the decision on your circumstances and if you want quick good espresso Sunbeam will do it for you, just ask all the happy CSers who own them!!
    When I get up in the morning I turn Silvia on and then do my chores, eat my cereal etc, after 30 minutes she is ready after running a bit of water through group to produce my morning fix.
    Good luck with your decision.....................gm

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  • ozscott
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    mate - you have probably nailed it. I have always said that if 2% of all EM6910s sold have complaints that must be a much larger number than 2% of Silvias. Having said that, and whilst I love my EM and have family that love another 2 EMs the build quality could not be said to be as long term as a Silvia or other heavy Italian made machines - if your talking 10 years or more the Silvia would still be going, and you would be able to replaced parts as necessary (although a boiler is very expensive i understand) but the EM would probably not at an educated guess - the electronics alone are probably enough to see its demise at some stage. But for the money the EM6910 is class act. The quality of the shot is close to the Silvia according to the Pullman review and the thing heats up very quickly and steams very well - at the same time as the shot. Its very handy when there are plenty of people lining up or milk coffees!

    Cheers

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  • viktor
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    Remy,


    However,.. the coffee snob in me that has developed into a green-eyed monster with underlying upgraditis festering in the gut eh hemmm,...in just a few short months,.. just had to poke, prod and pimp it, to try and make it behave like the prosumer machines and give me awesome shots with regularity. Of course I would never expect it to behave like a pointy end machine,..(you get what you pay for),.and I have to make allowances for some funny quirks as mentioned above,.. but what I have gotten from it so far has surpassed what I originally expected Id get
    I am trying to be rational here... I know that coffee snobbery and upgraditis are not rational ... But anyway....
    From rational prospective those quirks you are talking abount are noise and some dripping?
    Is it correct that coffee quality is on par with Silvia?
    I am still choosing between Silvia/Rocky and EM6910/EM0480 and it equates to dollar amount $1100 versus probably $750.
    Also, Silvia needs to be heated for long before use (or some tricks to be applied). As I understand, EM6910 is less demanding in that and can make good espresso quickly if used correctly?

    I am not so sure about Silvia reliability either - having one at work and going thru few thermostats and a boiler in 4 years.. Hoping that most people have no issues with Sunbeam - I suspect that complains are just due to the numbers of units sold so that there always would be some percentage of unhappy (and so - noisy) customers.

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  • Remy
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    Originally posted by Gavin1 link=1206860674/30#37 date=1207133340
    Man.....ive went through cartons of milk trying to pour a rosetta on my domobar! just when I started getting my rosettas on my 6910!! yes recall the 6910!! recall it back to my place so i can pour a rosetta!! Excuse the caffeine talk.....I think im going to lie down now......
    LOL... get up!! and run to your nearest CS member who has the same machine. ;D

    New learning curve is all it is. Oh and...TIP: dont pour rosettas on the domobar!! the rosettas wont keep their shape and the domobar wont like it. ;D

    Now scoot! get back to that pointy forum,..traitor

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  • Gavin1
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    Man.....ive went through cartons of milk trying to pour a rosetta on my domobar! just when I started getting my rosettas on my 6910!! yes recall the 6910!! recall it back to my place so i can pour a rosetta!! Excuse the caffeine talk.....I think im going to lie down now......

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  • Remy
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    Originally posted by Stan link=1206860674/30#35 date=1207127455
    You could justify the purchase of an upmarket machine now by saying it will be passed onto the kids  : 8-)
    Oh yeAAhhhh,...great idea Stan, thanks. ;D I might just have to catch hubby at a very weak moment to convince him of this though,.. but definitely worth a try I think.

    Oh I know, [smiley=evil.gif]... Ill just hide the TV remote,... and while hes frantically tearing the familyroom apart and has worked up a dripping panic sweat searching for it,.. I could try the justification then. Yep... I can see that might get me a yes. 8-)

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  • Stan
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    You could justify the purchase of an upmarket machine now by saying it will be passed onto the kids : 8-)

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  • Remy
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    Originally posted by AngerManagement link=1206860674/30#33 date=1207125397
    Originally posted by Remy link=1206860674/30#32 date=1207097434
    One of my favourite sayings to my children is.. you get what you pay for and I believe that to be true .....

    Having said,.. ... at the time I began looking .... to try and make nice.... home. I had seen ... (of all makes) in the stores,..but get this.... I didnt even know there was anything in between these ... and the .... I saw in cafes    .....I learned that there were specialised single group ....for home use/the prosumer,..but as I was  new to the whole .... have a husband who prefers tea :, and .... what I did on the 6910 was waaaaay more .... what I first planned/really ... to .... my husband ..... (at first).  

    ....I would never expect it to behave like a pointy end .....and I have to make allowances for some funny quirks as mentioned above,.. but what I have gotten from ....so far has surpassed what I originally expected Id get,..and thats the main reason why Im happy ..... right now.
    Sorry about the short hand... But  I fully subscribe to your full post.
     Wahhaahaahaaahahaa.. cryin larfin here ::wipes away tears::.. youre a funny one... I dont know how you think of these things.. touché ;D

    Except for a roll reversal. Now my wife loves the coffee, however I still could not stretch the budget to a true system... That will have to wait till both the kids leave home.  Until then, the EM6910 or the next model will have to do.
    Hmmm...oh yeah there is that window of opportunity when the kids leave home,.. hmmm.. wonder if my EM6910 can hang on for just another little decade .

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  • A_M
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    Originally posted by Remy link=1206860674/30#32 date=1207097434
    One of my favourite sayings to my children is.. you get what you pay for and I believe that to be true .....

    Having said,.. ... at the time I began looking .... to try and make nice.... home. I had seen ... (of all makes) in the stores,..but get this.... I didnt even know there was anything in between these ... and the .... I saw in cafes .....I learned that there were specialised single group ....for home use/the prosumer,..but as I was new to the whole .... have a husband who prefers tea :, and .... what I did on the 6910 was waaaaay more .... what I first planned/really ... to .... my husband ..... (at first).

    ....I would never expect it to behave like a pointy end .....and I have to make allowances for some funny quirks as mentioned above,.. but what I have gotten from ....so far has surpassed what I originally expected Id get,..and thats the main reason why Im happy ..... right now.
    Sorry about the short hand... But I fully subscribe to your full post. Except for a roll reversal

    Now my wife loves the coffee, however I still could not stretch the budget to a true system... That will have to with till both the kids leave home. Until then, the EM6910 or the next model will have to do.

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  • Remy
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    One of my favourite sayings to my children is.. you get what you pay for and I believe that to be true with above average regularity. Of course there are always cases of this being grossly untrue on both ends of the scale,.but rare from my experience at least.  I actually bought this machine with this same thinking in mind and just hope it would last a year of regular use or maybe two years at a push,.. but expecting it to definitely die or gradually fall apart/look cwap/have lots of problems in the second year (but hope Im wrong). I purchased extended warranty because I really do expect problems by the second year if not sooner and hope that will cover me when it does.

    Having said,.. (and I never knew that about Sunbeam marketing the 6910 as a prosumer machine btw).. at the time I began looking into coffee machines, all I knew was,.. I wanted to try and make nice coffee at home. I had seen coffee machines (of all makes) in the stores,..but get this.... I didnt even know there was anything in between these machines and the 3 & 4 group machines I saw in cafes     I only discovered this fact when I came to the CS forum. I learned that there were specialised single group espresso machines for home use/the prosumer,..but as I was  new to the whole coffee making game,.. not only could I not see the value in buying one of these prosumer machines,..I have a husband who prefers tea :, and spending even what I did on the 6910 was waaaaay more than,.. what I first planned/really wanted to spend/what my husband was happy with (at first).  

    Being able to do a little research on these forums for about 5 days before I bought the 6910,. I could see there was a huge world of difference (well I mainly only saw the money difference in the early days) in the machines available in the appliance section of all the stores and that which could be purchased through specialty coffee equipment businesses. So when I bought my 6910,.. I already knew I was buying a entry level coffee machine which was really an appliance for want of a better term. However,.. the coffee snob in me that has developed into a green-eyed monster with underlying upgraditis festering in the gut eh hemmm,...in just a few short months,.. just had to poke, prod and pimp it, to try and make it behave like the prosumer machines and give me awesome shots with regularity. Of course I would never expect it to behave like a pointy end machine,..(you get what you pay for),.and I have to make allowances for some funny quirks as mentioned above,.. but what I have gotten from it so far has surpassed what I originally expected Id get,..and thats the main reason why Im happy with the 6910 right now.

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  • Magic_Matt
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    More to the point - now you have a domobar super and mazzer mini - who cares??!!

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