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    Whats a proper coffee snob to do when glamping?
    I am going to run a 200 Ah lithium battery and a 2000W inverter in the canopy of my ute.
    Non coffee snobs with that set up use Nespresso pod machines ... I want to do better (much better).

    Will make 2-4 coffee's at a time
    Heat up time is important as it's a battery drain
    Maximum wattage is important -- theoretically up to 2000w but realistically <1500W
    I drink piccolos so the ability to steam milk is still important.

    I have a breville smart grinder that will do the job for the ute.

    I am currently thinking a La Pavoni Europiccola fits the bill

    Anyone have an alternative suggestion?

    PS -- My coffee machine journey has gone -- ROK --> Flair --> Bezzera Strega -- so I am comfortable with levers

  • #2
    Flair 58 and a whizzy thingy?

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    • #3
      Depends how rich you are. You could buy a Cremina.

      My experience with the La Pav thing was very brief (used a friend's for a little while), but I prefered the coffer from my Flair (classic.). Obviously the Flairs don't steam milk, but if you have a hot plate / burner you could get a Bellman thingy if you fancied. Or a whizzy thingy. Or just the warm the milk in a pitcher

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      • #4
        I reckon an Odyssey Argos would kick arse in that set up, if you can wait six months.
        Otherwise, maybe an ACS Minima.
        Both small footprint and seemingly rugged build.

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        • #5
          Running an AC motor from a DC inverter will reduce the lifespan of the motor. Even the most expensive inverters revert to sawtooth waveform under load, no matter how sinusoidal it is at no load.

          Either a handgrinder, or a grinder with a DC motor (that converts the AC to DC for the motor to use, waveform won't matter much) such as a Niche Zero or Option-O Lagom Mini will be better.

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          • #6
            Have you still got the Rok / Flair ?
            If so your half way there....Add a Bellman ( or variety of similar brands out there)
            These will silk milk wonderfully.
            FWIW I have a Rok and I can makes fantastic espresso on it But having
            only a few runs with the Bellman I reckon it produces an even better = sweeter - coffee than all
            including E61's.
            Grinder = Lido II
            Take your scales / timer along. Develop your own recipe.


            BTH I reckon the 30kg polished metal machine would eventually meet an unfortunate untimely event out there somewhere, when you truly dont need it anyway!
            Or be the result of a DC battery catastrophe out in the wild which nobody needs.

            Oh n CB most Cs'ers eventually find a way to 'lose' the consumer brand coffee devices!
            somewhere somehow
            Just kidding !

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            • #7
              Originally posted by coffeebuzz View Post
              I am currently thinking a La Pavoni Europiccola fits the bill
              If you talking a glamping then for best impact and good coffee you "need" the Expo with rosewood handles and gold plating.



              https://www.casaespresso.com.au/la-p...-2015-exp.html

              sub 1000w and you can half fill the boiler to reduce heating time

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              • level3ninja
                level3ninja commented
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                Or even preheat the water over gas to save most of the electric heating energy

              • Casa Espresso
                >Casa Espresso commented
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                Great suggestion Andy! I know someone who has one of these

            • #8
              hi all, thanks for the replies

              yes i still have the rok and flair
              flair makes very good coffee - i used it to make 10 shots per day for about 18 months before getting my strega. its mostly just a bit fidly / labour intensive once you upgrade its hard going back.

              flair 58 tempting but too much $ for what it is

              odyssey argos looks interesting but is it better than a la pavoni?
              la pav expo - wow that is some bling … a bit much for my liking but would be good to take the piss.

              i reckon it europicolla vs la pav pro

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              • #9
                As I have a similar setup on my sailing catamaran, I hope I can provide some helpful information.
                Firstly, to the inverter, which is in my opinion too weak to handle the load. My yacht has a Victron Phoenix inverter with 2000VA continuously and 4000VA maximum. Are you aware how big such an inverter is, it might get crowded on you ute?
                Very important is the kind and length of the cable between battery and inverter. At least thumb thick. I had to spent above $400 just for a roll of cable to bridge about 1-1.5m. If you get this wrong the inverter won’t receive enough amps and it will just turn itself off when under load.
                Further the yacht has a 400AH lifepo4 battery.
                Let’s get to the fun side. I do have a >30 years young La Pavoni Europiccola with a copper boiler.
                Unfortunately, the 1000W consumption for the Europiccola is only on paper. While heating up its more in the >1200W and above range. You need to run the grinder two. The La Pavoni are known to be bitchy if the coffee grind is wrong, the puck is too weak or too hard, and the temperature on the brew head is wrong. I have my doubts the La Pavoni will be happy what the breville smart grinder feeds her. What I find on the La Pavoni I can do 3 double espressos, but don’t forget to warm up the head for the first one otherwise you’ll get too much sour taste. With a fourth double espresso the La Pavoni starts to struggle because the brew head gets too hot, which kills the crema, and she starts spitting too. A La Pavoni is very temperamental. If you want to do 4 coffees for yourself and guests that could become a bit of a struggle and maybe even disappointment. The Pro version is not better as all La Pavoni do have the overheat issue of the head.
                I have a Victron fuel gauge which shows after 3 double espressos, 3 x grinder, made into 2 cappuccinos about 10-15% energy is gone. With your 200AH battery it translates to 20-30%. Do this three time a day and your battery is flat.

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                • #10
                  I have a camper trailer with 200ah lithiums but no inverter. As user691 said in the post above, running an appliance like a La Pavoni will drain your batteries in no time. It's heavy, will be awkward to use and will get too hot to store with other items while glamping.
                  On various camping trips I've used aeropress, bellman, and a Flair and found that the aeropress the easiest to use overall.
                  I'm not comfortable with taking my La Pavoni Professional camping as it's not designed to be out in the elements. Plus kids....so that's why it stays at home.
                  Even though we have a gas stove, I also have a jetboil to speed up the work flow and a nanofoamer.
                  With that many coffees, I'd look into a moka pot as well.

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                  • #11
                    thanks - yes i actually have the 2000w inverter. and yes it is quite large, it will sit very close to my battery mounted to the ute headboard. this is actually a pretty common set up. whats uncommon is the use of a proper coffee machine instead of a pod machine.

                    a 30% drain is quite a lot and real life exceeding 1000w is a shame. , by your estimates i guess that equates to 60ah — i have 440w in solar panels to charge the battery if stationary… and a dc dc charger if driving. so i may be able to recharge the battery sufficiently. i wish i could try it out somehow

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                    • level3ninja
                      level3ninja commented
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                      That's only if you do all the heating in the LP boiler. If you preboil the water over gas that number will drop off significantly.

                  • #12
                    Originally posted by coffeebuzz View Post
                    Whats a proper coffee snob to do when glamping?
                    I am going to run a 200 Ah lithium battery and a 2000W inverter in the canopy of my ute.
                    Non coffee snobs with that set up use Nespresso pod machines ... I want to do better (much better).

                    Will make 2-4 coffee's at a time
                    Heat up time is important as it's a battery drain
                    Maximum wattage is important -- theoretically up to 2000w but realistically <1500W
                    I drink piccolos so the ability to steam milk is still important.

                    I have a breville smart grinder that will do the job for the ute.

                    I am currently thinking a La Pavoni Europiccola fits the bill

                    Anyone have an alternative suggestion?

                    PS -- My coffee machine journey has gone -- ROK --> Flair --> Bezzera Strega -- so I am comfortable with levers
                    I wouldnt bother with espresso.

                    Hario vacuum brewer with the methanol burner base would look amazing on instagram. That and a compact hand grinder.

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                    • #13
                      Hand grinder, kettle, gas stove and a Tricolate.
                      Coffee = Panama Geisha. Light roast.

                      That is glamping.

                      Lugging a ton of junk to make an average milk based coffee is poor form.

                      Simplicity is the key.

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                      • #14
                        i dont mind filter coffee but after a few days i miss espresso
                        a la pavoni is 6kg, and it replaces the kettle, the gas stove and the tricolate

                        pretty sure i’ll be able to do better than average too

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                        • #15
                          Also may need to keep in mind the batt cable length and size when it is pulling max amps

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