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  • #16
    Re: EM6910 plastic insert

    Before too long you will have some funky gunk collecting under it. Looks really nasty and smells even worse

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    • #17
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      I think this is another urban myth. I have had my 6910 for 2.5 months have made lots of coffees. I pulled out the plastic insert and it was almost unblemished. I took some photos if only i could work out how to upload them

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      • #18
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        Urban myth?

        Have you clicked on the link in my post above (#7)?

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        • #19
          Re: EM6910 plastic insert

          Originally posted by Wazz link=1222320381/0#16 date=1223453268
          I think this is another urban myth. I have had my 6910 for 2.5 months have made lots of coffees. I pulled out the plastic insert and it was almost unblemished. I took some photos if only i could work out how to upload them
          Sorry, but after having a number of systems and being a fanatic almost on cleaning...

          I have seen first hand, the mess left behind as per the pics via post #7 that Thunder references.

          You may have struch a system that has a perfect seal or some other particularity that has seen your remain so clean ( What did the PF look like) but it is more the exception rather than the rule.

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          • #20
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            Yes I have a photo of it too. I am fairly particular about cleaning the PF after each session, but not to the point of obsession. So, maybe I have not been using it long enough. But what about my theory?



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            • #21
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              What theory?

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              • #22
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                The theory that its there for a purpose - to stop the pf from sucking the heat out of the shot.

                Also, I have seen lots of discussion on how to remove it. It is easy if you have a set of those things for removing bolts and screws with damaged heads - see photo.

                With this tool you can take it out and clean it and then put it back again - best of both worlds.

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                • #23
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                  Sure it would insulate the coffee from the pf if the pf wasnt preheated properly. But if the machine is left to heat up and the pf is left locked in the Graeme is redundant, IMHO.

                  Ive never had experience with the one on the 6910 but I did own a cheapie sunbeam before silvia (now dead) and she got she got some nasty gunk. After about a year I removed it and it looked as though gunk was growing underneath.

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                  • #24
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                    The point is that if you heat the pf properly like you should then you dont need the graeme.

                    Its only there for the dummies that dont know better.


                    By the way I dont think you can call that your theory.
                    Its a well accepted fact.

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                    • #25
                      Re: EM6910 plastic insert

                      Originally posted by Wazz link=1222320381/0#14 date=1223450027
                      Im interested to know why its there in the first place. My assessment of the 6910 is that it is a really well designed and thought-through product - Sunbeam should be congratulated as it must be the best value around - makes great coffees too.
                      Back to the plastic insert. I think there is probably a good reason for it being there. I have assumed its job was to keep the shot from losing heat to the PF which, if its not pre-heated (and maybe even if it is) will absorb heat from the shot. The plastic insulates the shot from the mass of the colder pf. I have read that it is there to improve the crema and I think this is true if it helps to keep the shot warm.

                      For this reason I have resisted removing it. Any views on this?
                      The pressurised baskets supplied with the 6910 are also there for a good reason - to compensate for people using the machine incorrectly (using stale preground coffee from Woolies). If you use the machine correctly (use freshly roast & ground beans and preheat the machine thoroughly) you dont need either.

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                      • #26
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                        Originally posted by m@ link=1222320381/20#24 date=1223504054
                        The pressurised baskets supplied with the 6910 are also there for a good reason - to compensate for people using the machine incorrectly (using stale preground coffee from Woolies). If you use the machine correctly (use freshly roast & ground beans and preheat the machine thoroughly) you dont need either.
                        This is a fallacious argument - just because one attachment is included for what you consider an ignoble purpose doesnt mean that everything else has no legitimate purpose. And anyway, I think that if the pressurised baskets help people to get a better coffee from the coffee they buy then thats legitimate too. This Coffee snobs thing can be taken a bit too far. I dont use the pressurised baskets, but not everybody has a grinder and not everybody has access to freshly brewed coffee

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                        • #27
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                          Pressurised baskets are used to give stale preground coffee the look of a coffee made with just ground, fresh coffee.

                          They dont make the coffee better.

                          And as for saying "This Coffee snobs thing can be taken a bit too far"...youll get more than one argument here about that.

                          Youre not a troll are you?

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                          • #28
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                            Is that a supernatural being in Scandinavian mythology? No Im not.

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                            • #29
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                              Originally posted by Wazz link=1222320381/20#25 date=1223517008
                              Originally posted by m@ link=1222320381/20#24 date=1223504054
                              The pressurised baskets supplied with the 6910 are also there for a good reason - to compensate for people using the machine incorrectly (using stale preground coffee from Woolies). If you use the machine correctly (use freshly roast & ground beans and preheat the machine thoroughly) you dont need either.
                              This is a fallacious argument - just because one attachment is included for what you consider an ignoble purpose doesnt mean that everything else has no legitimate purpose. And anyway, I think that if the pressurised baskets help people to get a better coffee from the coffee they buy then thats legitimate too. This Coffee snobs thing can be taken a bit too far. I dont use the pressurised baskets, but not everybody has a grinder and not everybody has access to freshly brewed coffee
                              And I made that argument where exactly? Look up analogy.

                              Both devices attempt - with little success - to compensate for deficiencies in technique; amending the technique is a better solution.

                              On your other point, people generally come to this site because they want to enjoy good coffee at home and are looking for advice on how to do so. My advice, based on experience, is to use freshly roast and ground coffee and to allow their machine sufficient warmup time, with portafilter installed. You - or anyone - can choose to reject this advice, but it rather begs the question - why ask in the first place?

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                              • #30
                                Re: EM6910 plastic insert

                                Originally posted by Wazz link=1222320381/20#25 date=1223517008
                                not everybody has a grinder and not everybody has access to freshly brewed coffee
                                We advise everyone to get a good grinder as its the most important piece of equipment needed for good coffee.
                                So yes not everyone has one, but if given the choice, a coffee snob would take a grinder over a machine if they could only have one or the other.

                                As for not having access to fresh coffee thats clearly wrong becuase in this day and age you can have fresh coffee delivered to your door within a few days of roasting, which is plenty of time to let it degas and be ready for use.
                                Id even wait a few more days before using with some of the ones I like.

                                Theres also the option of roasting your own.

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