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  • #16
    Re: Mocha Pot Revelation!

    Grinder definately makes a difference.... but ive never used hot water, always started with cold. (how does the hot water change anything.?)
    i think i might get the atomic out tonight aswell... after talking about it.

    KoNG

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    • #17
      Re: Mocha Pot Revelation!

      Originally posted by KoNG link=1137415768/15#15 date=1137636146
      Grinder definately makes a difference.... but ive never used hot water, always started with cold. (how does the hot water change anything.?)
      i think i might get the atomic out tonight aswell... after talking about it.

      KoNG
      Starting with hot water reduces the time it takes to brew the coffee, so the beans dont get too heated up and contact-burnt from the machine sitting on the stove for 5 minutes. I pulled mine out and had a play this morning (Dont quote THAT out of context!). The coffee wasnt as good as the moka pot but it was better than when I was using pre-ground beans of course. The microfoam was as good as Silvias (even better for small amounts of milk).

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      • #18
        Re: Mocha Pot Revelation!

        Originally posted by Robster link=1137415768/0#11 date=1137567776

        the moka pot Ive been using recently I think outdoes the atomic; it just has such a good basket-size relative to the water volume. Only problem now is needing a separate milk steaming device in addition to the moka pot when Im away from home.
        Im interested in this comment.  I was under the impression that all MPs have the same size basket, relative to the water volume of the MP.  Never thought to look at that!  Can you tell us what brand you have, or send a picture?  Im in the market for a new one, hate the one I have - impossible to pour without half going down the sink.  I dont use it much, only when desparate, but would be good to have a better one.

        Also like your hint about boiling the water first.  Must tell my son!

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        • #19
          Re: Mocha Pot Revelation!

          Originally posted by KoNG link=1137415768/15#15 date=1137636146
          Grinder definately makes a difference....  but  ive  never used hot  water, always started with cold. (how does the hot water change anything.?)
          i think i might get the atomic out tonight aswell... after talking about it.

          KoNG
          This reminded me to ask something (although too late)  I used to own an Atomic, which my ex took (left me with the Pavoni  ;D)  Then, last year my stepmother gave me my fathers Atomic (he died in 76)  that she has never used.  The insides had a huge amount of calcification and it smelled terrible.  The bakelite knob, where you put the water in was also broken. I tried everything I could think of to clean it, nothing worked - so I sold it.) It was bought as an antiquie for show - not for use  )

          Im still sorry I sold it and keep wondering if there is anything else I could have done to clean it?

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          • #20
            Re: Mocha Pot Revelation!

            Originally posted by Judy link=1137415768/15#18 date=1137655295
            Originally posted by KoNG link=1137415768/15#15 date=1137636146
            Grinder definately makes a difference.... but ive never used hot water, always started with cold. (how does the hot water change anything.?)
            i think i might get the atomic out tonight aswell... after talking about it.

            KoNG
            This reminded me to ask something (although too late) I used to own an Atomic, which my ex took (left me with the Pavoni ;D) Then, last year my stepmother gave me my fathers Atomic (he died in 76) that she has never used. The insides had a huge amount of calcification and it smelled terrible. The bakelite knob, where you put the water in was also broken. I tried everything I could think of to clean it, nothing worked - so I sold it.) It was bought as an antiquie for show - not for use )

            Im still sorry I sold it and keep wondering if there is anything else I could have done to clean it?
            I have seen a Place in Sydney that sell Atomics, Coffeecrew has a article on them
            http://www.coffeecrew.com/content/view/254/99/
            , so handles are not that hard to get..
            As for the Calcification ?
            Probably able to get rid via Phosphoric acid/Coke/ or the old CLR. and many washes with water..
            Many years ago I went to the Channon Markets near Lismore(Hippie type) there was a Atomic Cafe Stall and the guy had about 6 Atomics running on a series of Gas Burners.. Wish i had got a Photo..
            Tepin

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            • #21
              Re: Mocha Pot Revelation!

              Originally posted by TEPIN link=1137415768/15#19 date=1137659950
              Many years ago I went to the Channon Markets near Lismore(Hippie type) there was a Atomic Cafe Stall and the guy had about 6 Atomics running on a series of Gas Burners.. Wish i had got a Photo..
              Tepin
              Sounds similar to this place: http://www.spraci.net/user2/intertribal.html

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              • #22
                Re: Mocha Pot Revelation!

                Judy,

                The moka pot I now have is a GAT brand. Mines a 6-cup and was bought from Harris Scarf - theyre 1/2 price at $30 in their current sale (but not listed in their online sale catalogue). At least it was in Hobart. I think its the model shown here:

                www.gatspa.it/english/pratika.html

                Using the same grind as for Silvia the coffee comes out thick and velvety.

                As for the Atomic, I find much of the calcification pours out after a good shake with water in the machine. Citric acid would probably work well as a de-scaler too. The calcification in the top is trickier: it requires removing the shower screen, but the two screws holding it in place are notorious for rusting and breaking off when people try this. Gently but solidly tapping the side of the head with an open palm will knock some of the calcium out through the shower screen.

                Rob

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                • #23
                  Re: Mocha Pot Revelation!

                  Originally posted by Robster link=1137415768/15#20 date=1137662914
                  Sounds similar to this place: http://www.spraci.net/user2/intertribal.html
                  Holy Timothy Leary Batman! Ive been transported back to my youth! ;D

                  Java "Visualize Whirled Peas!" phile
                  Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Mocha Pot Revelation!

                    Originally posted by TEPIN link=1137415768/15#19 date=1137659950
                    I have seen a Place in Sydney that sell Atomics, Coffeecrew  has a article on them
                    http://www.coffeecrew.com/content/view/254/99/
                    Grrrrr.  My Googling abilities arent very good!    I spent ages at the time Googling for a cure, found nothing. Now, here it is:

                    If you have a Bon labeled Atomic, its not that old. To clean out your ATOMIC, get some citric acid at a health food store.

                    Put 1 tablespoonful in the machine and top it off with cold water. Install the empty coffee holder with the jug underneath and put on medium low heat.

                    Wait till all the water exhausts in the jug. Simple. Let your beloved Atomic cool off,unscrew filler knob , half fill with clean water and shake it up like if you were really mad, in other words shake the living hell out of it. Calmly, unscrew knob and empty....surprised?
                    It does work.

                    Repeat until tired.

                    I tried  EVERYTHING, including CLR (and the very expensive "proper" Espresso descaler) and shook it until my arms fell off, for weeks on end, nothing worked.  In the end, if anything it got worse, you could smell all the chemicals I used, regardless of how many times I put water through it.  About the only thing I didnt try was citric acid.  I then spent equally as long trying to make the outside shiny, once I decided to sell it  

                    However all this discussion about Atomics made me decide to look into the new version.  That would be a good present for my son!

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                    • #25
                      Re: Mocha Pot Revelation!

                      Originally posted by Robster link=1137415768/15#20 date=1137662914
                      Originally posted by TEPIN link=1137415768/15#19 date=1137659950
                      Many years ago I went to the Channon Markets near Lismore(Hippie type) there was a Atomic Cafe Stall and the guy had about 6 Atomics running on a series of Gas Burners.. Wish i had got a Photo..
                      Tepin
                      Sounds similar to this place: http://www.spraci.net/user2/intertribal.html
                      Hell that takes me back to the old Acid Days/ a Terribly Psycadelic site..
                      Tepin

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                      • #26
                        Re: Mocha Pot Revelation!

                        Originally posted by Judy link=1137415768/15#23 date=1137673271
                        However all this discussion about Atomics made me decide to look into the new version. That would be a good present for my son!
                        Ah yes, but an expensive one! I paid less for my Silvia brand new than the price Ive seen one or two Atomics sell for on Ebay. Bon Trading in Sydney has been the official Australian distributer for many years - I visited there once for spare parts - but I get the impression their waiting list is very long (I put my name down in 2003 and Im still waiting . . . )

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                        • #27
                          Re: Mocha Pot Revelation!

                          Originally posted by Robster link=1137415768/15#25 date=1137674136
                          Ah yes, but an expensive one! I paid less for my Silvia brand new than the price Ive seen one or two Atomics sell for on Ebay. Bon Trading in Sydney has been the official Australian distributer for many years - I visited there once for spare parts - but I get the impression their waiting list is very long (I put my name down in 2003 and Im still waiting . . . )
                          I wasnt thinking of getting him an "original" one, I know that those are worth a fortune - I got quite a bit for mine as well, I was thinking of buying a new one. I heard they were cheaper (and not as good) Didnt realise there was a waiting list. Just looked, they dont have a website nor an email address. I will have to phone them. Maybe time to visit some friends in Sydney? ;D Mind you, Id only want to wait 2 months, not years Anyway, be interesting to find out how much a new one is?

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                          • #28
                            Re: Mocha Pot Revelation!

                            Originally posted by Robster link=1137415768/15#21 date=1137665155
                            Judy,

                            The moka pot I now have is a GAT brand. Mines a 6-cup and was bought from Harris Scarf - theyre 1/2 price at $30 in their current sale (but not listed in their online sale catalogue). At least it was in Hobart. I think its the model shown here:

                            www.gatspa.it/english/pratika.html

                            Using the same grind as for Silvia the coffee comes out thick and velvety.

                            As for the Atomic, I find much of the calcification pours out after a good shake with water in the machine. Citric acid would probably work well as a de-scaler too. The calcification in the top is trickier: it requires removing the shower screen, but the two screws holding it in place are notorious for rusting and breaking off when people try this. Gently but solidly tapping the side of the head with an open palm will knock some of the calcium out through the shower screen.

                            Rob
                            Thanks for that - wish I had known last week - been to Harris Scarf, thats where I bought the glass frother!  Anyway, will have a look.

                            I think my fathers Atomic was beyond help.  I doubt that sitting in a cupboard for 25 years helped it.  That site also said that one should never leave the black knob on, this was on for 25 years!    I think I also had the shower screen off.  I do remember that I had to scrape the rubber seal off.  I do know that I shook and shook, and even though I have put water through it dozens of times (even tried with coffee a few times, to slow down the process, I never got a clear liquid coming out of it.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Mocha Pot Revelation!

                              Originally posted by Judy link=1137415768/15#27 date=1137677644
                              I do remember that I had to scrape the rubber seal off. I do know that I shook and shook, and even though I have put water through it dozens of times (even tried with coffee a few times, to slow down the process, I never got a clear liquid coming out of it.
                              I guess some Atomics may be beyond redemption. The last time I asked Bon Trading about their new machines they said the price would be around $375 - $400.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Mocha Pot Revelation!

                                Originally posted by Judy link=1137415768/15#26 date=1137676747

                                I heard they were cheaper (and not as good)  Didnt realise there was a waiting list.  Just looked, they dont have a website nor an email address.  I will have to phone them.  Maybe time to visit some friends in Sydney?  
                                Not surprised they dont have websites and the like... the shop is straight from the 50s and hasnt been touched since ;D
                                an old couple own it and from memory.. they bought the rights for the atomic from brevatti" or whoever it was... i believe they use the same mould and press as the original, but material quality may have changed.
                                My outlaws went on the search for one after tasting the coffees i was making from the atomic... they picked one up at a garage sale for................ get this $5
                                so there is definately still some out there, you just need to find someone who doesnt know what it is....

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