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  • #16
    Re: Getting naked.

    Originally posted by 66494042556A46494640424A424953270 link=1276938647/14#14 date=1277335779
    Originally posted by 363D2A3D3E3939325C0 link=1276938647/13#13 date=1277334857
    When I use the spouted pf though, no amount of hot water rinsing removes the coffee oils after 2 days use unless you get in there and scrub it, or soak it in something like Cafetto.
    I can see to some extent where your coming from with some of teh topic..

    However... the bit above is confusing...

    Like Mal and a few others... I rinse my group and remove my basket and wash in teh sink after every session..

    This could be one shot or a few mates over and 3 or 4 shots in a row... Then before I flick teh machine off... A quick rinse with hot water.. Brush out teh group and then to the sink... Clean group handle and remove basket and rinse group and basket in hot water..

    Can go a lot more than two days; before needing a chemical clean..

    am when you wash in the sink are you using any cleaning agents at all?

    i agree with JB
    i find hot water does not remove the oils if you just rinse / brush, if you give it a wipe out with paper towel you still find they have heaps of oil in them.

    interesting discussion, i often neglect my ghandle :-[

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    • #17
      Re: Getting naked.

      Originally posted by 4B66626E630F0 link=1276938647/12#12 date=1277295921
      We are, after all, Coffee Snobs around these parts
      We are? of course we are. ;D

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      • #18
        Re: Getting naked.

        Originally posted by 39353C313138540 link=1276938647/15#15 date=1277339032
        am when you wash in the sink are you using any cleaning agents at all?
        NO... AM is allergic to cleaning stuff.... Just ask my wife ;D

        As I said Hot water and maybe a paper towel or the Coffee cloth...

        (The Cloth.. Only if my wife has cleaned it as it get dammed dirty and petulance ridden; after a few days... Stale milk / coffee / floor dust etc etc)


        KISS...

        I think a few people here need to get out and see what happens in teh so called shops / cafes regardless of training...


        Some will do a fair number of coffees and do a chem back-flush once a week or every few days.. Groups and baskets about once a week .....

        Others do a Chem back-flush at least every day and or some times twice... If ya use a trick or two... The group and basket is done at the same time..

        So when some one runs 10 or 15 shots a day and starts talking about how disgusting their group and machine is if they do not clean it... CONTEXT...

        Ask any number of teh sponsors who serve coffee every day; just how often they do a chemical clean and if they think the majority of coffee places are just as focused..

        OPPPsss. Do not ask about shower screens... Most shops do not touch... Covered under service with teh Machine /Coffee supplier.. PS.... Do not look you would be shocked....

        BOT..

        I go Naked when I am trying a new bean / grind combo and / or when I want to show off (And no, big is not always better).

        After that.. Double/Triple basket with a double spout.. Nothing else; as there is no need...

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        • #19
          Re: Getting naked.

          lol

          my Fav local actually sometimes run the tip of a spoon over (through) the double spout to give it a bit of a clean mid shot if the shots are getting uneven.

          they do good coffee but .......

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          • #20
            Re: Getting naked.

            Originally posted by 454E594E4D4A4A412F0 link=1276938647/10#10 date=1277289012
            Well...I use it exclusively, unless Im making more than one cup when friends pop over. Most times though they get a double ristretto shot from the naked pf rather than splitting a shot from the spouted pf.
            Ditto.

            Originally posted by 6B46424E432F0 link=1276938647/7#7 date=1277278913
            I think the bottomless Group Handle is a handy tool for ensuring ones technique remains on track
            Surely using it every day ensures the consistency one aspires to.
            Otherwise how can you tell youre deviating?


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            • #21
              Re: Getting naked.

              Originally posted by 616D646969600C0 link=1276938647/18#18 date=1277351285
              my Fav local actually sometimes run the tip of a spoon over (through) the double spout to give it a bit of a clean mid shot if the shots are getting uneven.
              Sure hope they clean the spoon and not just lick it, between shots 

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              • #22
                Re: Getting naked.

                Originally posted by 0438253E343522373F34500 link=1276938647/19#19 date=1277351781
                Surely using it every day ensures the consistency one aspires to.
                Otherwise how can you tell youre deviating?
                This is what I was thinking too...

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                • #23
                  Re: Getting naked.

                  Originally posted by 370B160D070611040C07630 link=1276938647/19#19 date=1277351781
                  Surely using it every day ensures the consistency one aspires to.
                  Otherwise how can you tell youre deviating?
                  By the quality in the cup TG....

                  Ive dragged the Naked GH out of the cupboard at random times over the last 12 months just to see if my technique is sliding a little. So far though, havent been able to create "sprites" due to channelling using my normal technique. Have done though, when deliberately setting out to do this when demonstrating to someone what Im otherwise trying to describe with words.

                  What ever works for you (collective), works for you and if you prefer coffee made with the Naked GH then thats great. I prefer using the Single GH with a Double Basket, its just easier for me and the coffee tastes great, so Im happy....

                  Mal.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Getting naked.

                    Originally posted by 5875717D701C0 link=1276938647/22#22 date=1277364558
                    Originally posted by 370B160D070611040C07630 link=1276938647/19#19 date=1277351781
                    Surely using it every day ensures the consistency one aspires to.
                    Otherwise how can you tell youre deviating?
                    By the quality in the cup TG....

                    Ive dragged the Naked GH out of the cupboard at random times over the last 12 months just to see if my technique is sliding a little. So far though, havent been able to create "sprites" due to channelling using my normal technique. Have done though, when deliberately setting out to do this when demonstrating to someone what Im otherwise trying to describe with words.

                    What ever works for you (collective), works for you and if you prefer coffee made with the Naked GH then thats great. I prefer using the Single GH with a Double Basket, its just easier for me and the coffee tastes great, so Im happy....

                    Mal.
                    Ditto...

                    Besides on the DCM, it is almost impossible to get channelling even when ya try to...

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                    • #25
                      Re: Getting naked.

                      Originally posted by 0A362B303A3B2C39313A5E0 link=1276938647/19#19 date=1277351781
                      Otherwise how can you tell youre deviating?
                      Taste buds, mouth feel, crema and sight, the senses are a pretty good indicator.
                      If you cant tell by the above that something is amiss then it probably doesnt really matter all that much.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Getting naked.

                        Originally posted by 5B76727E731F0 link=1276938647/22#22 date=1277364558
                        I prefer using the Single GH with a Double Basket, its just easier for me and the coffee tastes great, so Im happy.... Smiley
                        Same for me Mal, your right its the taste of whats in the cup that matters.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Getting naked.

                          I like to watch each extraction to make sure it at least looks right. If I wait to the tasting stage and find its not right then I have to do it again with the bottomless to try and work out what went wrong.

                          Eg--I notice the extraction isnt even front to back so I know the distribution wasnt quite right. If the taste is also degraded I just have to adjust next time, rather than trying to duplicate the last error so it can be catalogued.

                          My bottomless PF gets used routinely.

                          Greg

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                          • #28
                            Re: Getting naked.

                            Originally posted by 1C293E3C0C3429363A373F5B0 link=1276938647/26#26 date=1277383356
                            I like to watch
                            The famous line from "Being There" Peter sellers ;D I suspect my Naked PF will find its self listed in the for sale section in the not too distant future, it was an interesting exercise.

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                            • #29
                              Sorry for re-opening an old thread, but I've been trying to work out why people keep talking about naked PF's. This so far is the most informative. Am I correct in thinking there is personal preference here (as it seems a lot of things about coffee are) but mostly you'd have a bottomless because it is easier to look and see what is happening during the pour?

                              I clean my handle and filter after every session - rinse, remove basket, run under hot tap, inspect, (I've used a soft scourer probably 2 times in 2 months to remove stain) then shake and reassemble and put back on the group head (softly, not tight)

                              If I am liking my coffee and friends are making excuses to come around for coffee rather than the previous "meet you at The Subtle Eye" can I presume I don't really need to sacrifice one of my handles?

                              Also, if I do, doesn't cutting the bottom out expose the underlying metal? Do I need to get it re-chromed?

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                              • #30
                                you don't need to do anything. however, if you're a perfectionist, you may want the extra feedback.

                                it's very easy to make a bad coffee, it's not hard to make an acceptable coffee, but some people want godshots each and every time, and are trying to work out what they do that prevents that.

                                I watch, I taste, and I try and work out the source of any defects that I taste in my coffee. you might not be that interested in "perfect" coffee, and that's ok, but if you are, then I think that going naked is important.

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