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  • New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Any one seen a review yet on the New $599.95 Sunbeam EM6900 Semi Auto Espresso Coffee Machine? apparently a real Ball-Bighter fitted with Twin Stainless Steel encased Thermo-Blocks, - one for espresso hot water - one for steam. Real quik HOT Brew, Appreciate any info to tell you the truth i dont even know if its even been released yet. I think this could be the one ive been waiting for.......

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    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

    Hi TwIsTeD,

    I think Alan Frew has a had a cursory look at one of these and some brief comments in his list of Newsletters somewhere. You can check them out here...http://www.coffeeco.com.au/newsletterpage.html

    Someone at CoffeeGeek has also reviewed (Consumer Reviews) one too I think and can be searched here... http://www.coffeegeek.com/

    All the best,
    Mal.

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    • #3
      Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

      I think if I was spending $600 just on the machine Id probably save another $100 and get the Rancillo Silvia..... Its not a thermoblock, but from the reading Ive done - its the machine to get.

      You do seem to need a pretty decent grinder thou... so thats some more cash right there.

      Good luck on finding info - and let us know what you find out.

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      • #4
        Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

        Hi again TwIsTeD,

        Got to thinking a bit more where I read Alans thoughts on the then upcoming Sunbeam Dual T/block machine. Discovered that it was on alt.coffee after a bit of searching around. Heres a link to that post... http://tinyurl.com/4lmlf.

        Theres not a lot discussed about it there other than Alan was very keen to get hold of one and try it out. Maybe if you drop a line to Alan, he might tell you if he has made any progress on that score. Hope this helps.

        Regarding other views of what constitutes one machine as being better than another, it comes down to what you want out of the machine in the end, other than great coffee (that should be the main criteria above all else after all). In terms of quality, its very hard to go past a Rancilio Silvia and unless you are going to be offering your equipment and services as a Barista to large gatherings on a regular basis, then I would have absolutely no hesitation in recommending them to anyone.

        The only real criticism Ive read about the Silvia is that it can be a bit slow to churn out a lot of Lattes/Cappas in a short time due to the need to allow the boiler sufficient time to heat up for steam production and then cool down again for pulling shots. Alan also has a method for overcoming this characteristic on his website too so when its all said and done, this is only a minor niggle. If I had the money at the time I bought my Mokita, I would definitely have bought the Silvia instead. Mind you, the Mokita is a very close second to Silvia in the quality stakes.

        If the Sunbeam is going to have any advantages over Silvia and other single boiler machines, its that you will be able to stretch your milk at the same time as pulling shots thereby cutting down on the time taken to produce milk coffees... and this at a fraction of the cost that a good quality dual boiler machine will cost you. So, if you look at it from this perspective then the Sunbeam may well be a very good proposition.

        Hope some of my rambling has been helpful to you. All the best with your choice,

        Cheers,
        Mal.

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        • #5
          Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

          consider the Saeco Via Venezia. I went looking for a Silvia in Rio Coffee in Adelaide, and the Sales staff said hed recommend the Venezia because its basically the same machine at half the price. It does have a stainless steel boiler but its built like a brick with a s/s body too. Similar group head too. 55 secs or so to effectively switch to steam mode. I demonstrated these two machines side by side with a few variations on the grinder. the shots that were pulled were identical. also theres a nice grinder in the same range & price range, so you could have a great quality machine & grinder for the same price as a silvia. worth checking out.
          sam

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          • #6
            Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

            Sam,
            I think the big issue with the Via Venezia versus Silvia is the boiler. SS against brass can make a big difference. Especially comes into play depending on the quality of water being put into it.
            Whilst new, they might be comparable machines, but how they will stack up next to each other after a year.. that is the telling point for me.
            Also, the Saeco boiler is 180ml, Silvia is 300ml.
            I would recommend readin Alan Frews article:
            http://coffeegeek.com/opinions/alanfrew/07-01-2002

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            • #7
              Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

              Hello Twisted,

              On seeing your post, I went to the Sunbeam website (www.sunbeam.com.au) and they have the new machine listed under both New Products and their Cafe Series.

              I too want to have a gander at it, as I spend a lot of time with either a Breville ESP6 at home or the Sunbeam Ristretto when away making up to 6 cappas/lattes, so the dual thermoblock system *should* be good - after all it was "developed with (the assistance of) World Barista Champion Paul Bassett", so it should rock!

              Unfortunately, it doesnt say when it will hit the shops...

              Ken

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              • #8
                Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

                This is a quote from another Australian coffee related website:

                Dear Espresso friend,
                 
                Our new twin thermoblock machine is definately coming.  Part of our new Cafe Series range of commercial designed appliances.  It is called the Cafe Series Twin Thermoblock Espresso Machine (EM6900).  It has got it all.  TPTT System (twin thermoblock twin pump) stainless lined.  Commercial spec group head and handle, full stainless steel design, (back) pressure gauge for optimum extraction, semi-auto function with flow meter - programmable, 5 year guarantee on pumps etc.  Whats more we have worked with Paul Bassett (WBC) to perfect all the finer elements.  Still life testing the pre-production samples, availability likely to be late Feb 05.
                 
                As far as we are aware it is the first of its kind, and the key advantage of the TPTT system is that you can pull a shot of espresso and steam milk at the same time - simultaneous operation just like commercial machines.
                 
                Regards,
                 
                Damian Court
                Marketing Manager - Kitchen Appliances
                Sunbeam Corporation
                dcourt@sunbeam.com.au


                Fresh Coffee had some caveats. I wont speak for him but perhaps he will chime in here as well.


                Stephen

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                • #9
                  Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

                  hey. i just checked out the em6900 on the sunbeam site. although it is advertised as a twin thermoblock machine, it actually has a 15 bar pump for espresso making & a 4 bar pump for the steam, not your 15 bar pump pressure for the steam.

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                  • #10
                    Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

                    Hi Sam,

                    Yep, thats right. You dont need a high pressure pump feeding a steam generator since the steam is being discharged into the atmosphere (well, a milk frothing jug anyway). If you pressurised the steam generator vessel to too high a pressure before opening the steam valve, the resulting rapid expansion would be dangerous and risky to use once the valve was opened.

                    Cheers,
                    Mal.

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                    • #11
                      Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

                      On most commercial espresso machines the steam is supplied direct from the boiler, which is only at 1.2 bars.

                      Java "Back at home and *finally enjoying REAL coffee again!" phile
                      Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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                      • #12
                        Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

                        ok so this machine may make a good coffee but i still hesitate to spend $600 on sunbeam.....but maybe thats just me. :-/

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                        • #13
                          Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

                          Sam, especially when you can pick up a true commercial machine for that price, or even less, if you shop around and are willing to wait for the right deal to come along. ;D

                          Java "Loving his Cimbalis" phile
                          Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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                          • #14
                            Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

                            The things im looking forward to on the sunbeam:
                            *a real tamp. apparently PBs made sure it comes with a real tamp, not a plastic toy
                            *the simultaneous thing. being able to steam milk while brewing espresso sounds nice
                            *commercial portafilter - which i take to mean 58mm, fat and heavy - good at holding heat

                            Last i heard, its coming out late march, but they were saying early feb a while ago. before that they were saying first week of december.

                            but yeah, its still not going to be a commercial machine - but then again, i make about two-three coffees a day, five if friends come over - im continually trying to learn and get better at making espresso - do i really really need a mercedes when im happpy with my mazda?

                            *oh yeah, and from what ive seen, it looks downright sexy - this should please the aesthetically-minded wife!

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                            • #15
                              Re: New Sunbeam Espresso Machine!

                              Hello MattyJ,

                              Hey! Im with you brother!

                              I generally make four to six milk based drinks each sitting using my Breville Cafe Roma, as my wife and older two children love coffees and the younger two love their choccochinos. And if I only made coffee for my wife and I, well you can imagine the faces on the kids - awfully hard to enjoy something nice when you have four faces glowering at you!

                              So bring on the dual system!

                              Without the crema enhancers of course.  Or the small aluminium PF.  Or the 1.2L tank.  Or the plastic tamper.  Or the really light weight overall.  Or...  Or...  Or...

                              EDITED 9:36am

                              I just emailed the Sunbeam customer service and received a response stating that the EM6900 Cafe Series Twin Thermoblock Espress Machine (mouthful) will not be released into stores until about mid April.

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