Re: Brewtus
Mark:
Now you are thinking like a true snobbie, worrying about every last detail!
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Look at it this way. The water you use in the machine has been sitting in pipes for days/weeks before it gets to your house.
Mind you, if you were a snobbie with real balls you would go up into the mountains and get your own spring water each day.
It is important that the water you use in your machine has been filtered and softened. This means a 1 to 5 micron screen filter then a carbon/polyphosphate filter to remove flavour taints and soften the water and prevent scale buildup.
I personally think a two boiler machine is better than an hx machine, even though there are many good hx machines on the market (and some bad ones). A two boiler machine can have each boiler optimised for the job at hand ie. espresso or steam.
An hx machine is inevitably a compromise although in practice they work surprisingly well, like my Bezzera.
I would go for the Brewtus or the Reneka. I would be interested in how much the Brewtus is with a rotary pump?
Regards,
Grant
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Re: Brewtus
Talking to a mate tonight about the Brewtus - what do you think about having 1.7L hot water sitting aroudn for long periods? Will the water go stale? Say you pour 4 shots, 120-200mL pending cooling flushes, is that enough to refresh the water?
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Hey Luke- we find the deep singles give us a thicker, drier puck though I do find that if I apply dose by sight principles, I have to brush off just a tad.... The extraction is certainly better. I also tend to updose a bit in the shop. It will always create a drier puck and definitely helps the pour in a single. In addition, the larger dose will allow a coarser grind. In my opinion, this will tend to skew the shot towards the sweet end of the spectrum.
Glad to hear you had a good trainer
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Hi 2muchcoffeeman,
So what is it, if you dont mind me asking and its not too far off topic, that makes the singles sloppy and how is it fixed by using the 12g basket?
btw, I always flush the grouphead - I was taught by a pro.
Luke
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A cooling flush is always a good idea although I have used an s3 and that was hot too. One would think it should be a minor service adjustment. Have used an s1 and it was fine. As for muddy singles, what singles arent? Many people dont use them anyway. The other shot could always go towards some iced coffee mix??Originally posted by doxhead link=1125888542/15#16 date=1126594913We use a LaSpaziale Super 3 group at work and it certainly has problems with being too hot ( I sometimes have to flush for >5 seconds to cool the group head) but that could be because of a lazy service dude. There are a few other problems with things like not enough distance between spouts and drip tray, steam wand doesnt actually sit over drip tray - just little things that should be but arent. I havent had any serious problems with the 53mm baskets although the single is always pretty muddy.
Having said all that I know naught about the Vivaldi s1.
Luke
We have a Brasilia gradisca and solved sloppy singles by getting a deep single- 12g which is still rarely used
- to go with our 18g doubles.....
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We use a LaSpaziale Super 3 group at work and it certainly has problems with being too hot ( I sometimes have to flush for >5 seconds to cool the group head) but that could be because of a lazy service dude. There are a few other problems with things like not enough distance between spouts and drip tray, steam wand doesnt actually sit over drip tray - just little things that should be but arent. I havent had any serious problems with the 53mm baskets although the single is always pretty muddy.
Having said all that I know naught about the Vivaldi s1.
Luke
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Yeah, I had wondered about that. The main concerns center more around aftermarket products, especially filter baskets. But there seems to be a reasonable range out there anyway.Originally posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1125888542/0#14 date=1126576964
I wouldnt be too worried about the narrow portafilter. Its pretty deep and you can dose plenty into it. One bonus is that with the much thicker puck, its pretty much impossible to get channeling 8-)
One very nice machine indeed.
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I wouldnt be too worried about the narrow portafilter. Its pretty deep and you can dose plenty into it. One bonus is that with the much thicker puck, its pretty much impossible to get channeling 8-)Originally posted by Sparky link=1125888542/0#13 date=1126573807Originally posted by Mad Barun link=1125888542/0#9 date=1126521565The other machine Ive been looking at was the La Spaziale Vivaldi s1.
has any one heard what the machine like? Sounds like the Brewtus (without the E61 Group)
I cant find any dis from aus, sent countless emials over there without any luck?
At the mounment Brewtus is winning by default?
What to do?
Cheers
Mark
There is a forum for La Spaziale S1 owners around. They seem to be comparable to the Brewtus in temp stability from what Ive seen. They use a narrower portafilter though (53 mm?), which puts some people off.
Brewtus also has its own user forum, so theres plenty of info out there if you go looking. There is a guy over in the US who has modified his Brewtus to a dual PID controlled machine. Its a mod thats very professionally done, but the report from the users is that its not needed as there is no discernable difference in the cup compared to a stock Brewtus.
Id buy one tomorrow if I had the cash floating around.
regards,
Mark.
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Originally posted by Mad Barun link=1125888542/0#9 date=1126521565The other machine Ive been looking at was the La Spaziale Vivaldi s1.
has any one heard what the machine like? Sounds like the Brewtus (without the E61 Group)
I cant find any dis from aus, sent countless emials over there without any luck?
At the mounment Brewtus is winning by default?
What to do?
Cheers
Mark
There is a forum for La Spaziale S1 owners around. They seem to be comparable to the Brewtus in temp stability from what Ive seen. They use a narrower portafilter though (53 mm?), which puts some people off.
Brewtus also has its own user forum, so theres plenty of info out there if you go looking. There is a guy over in the US who has modified his Brewtus to a dual PID controlled machine. Its a mod thats very professionally done, but the report from the users is that its not needed as there is no discernable difference in the cup compared to a stock Brewtus.
Id buy one tomorrow if I had the cash floating around.
regards,
Mark.
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I was there the other day...they have one in their retail shop.....Originally posted by rice link=1125888542/0#10 date=1126525027Hi Mad Barun,Originally posted by Mad Barun link=1125888542/0#9 date=1126521565The other machine Ive been looking at was the La Spaziale Vivaldi s1.
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I cant find any dis from aus, sent countless emials over there without any luck?
Another user on these forums (hrh68) had recently upgraded to a new S1, you could ask him about his ownership experience. He purchased it from the Bean Alliance, but said that it took a number of months for the order to arrive (Feb->Aug).
http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1122277329
www.beanalliance.com.au
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After owning an expobar for a few weeks, (and having opened it up once or tiwce to see whats inside) I can safely say that theyre well built, solid machines.
Where they save money in production costs is the body, or the skin - corners arent as flush as they could be, the panels dont all line up perfectly, the drip tray is plastic - though not on the brewtus ... (at least my plastic one wont rust like my old sunbeam one was), and its safe to say it wont win any beauty contests... Theyve obviously spent all their money on the guts and whacked a cheap skin on it all. If you can live with these minor imperfections, then youll be satisfied.
I even got comments from a mate who owns a bezzera, that he was really impressed with the expobar.
As for how it works - it works superbly. The importers/distributors give them a good thorough service when they arrive in the country. Historically, expobars have tended to run hot, and need excessive colling flushes, but that problem is eliminates by the pre-sale service, so mine only needs roughly a 30ml colling flush. This is obviously a heat-exchange issue though, and the dual boiler doesnt have this problem, though it does help to run a similar heating flush prior to pulling a shot.
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Hi Mad Barun,Originally posted by Mad Barun link=1125888542/0#9 date=1126521565The other machine Ive been looking at was the La Spaziale Vivaldi s1.
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I cant find any dis from aus, sent countless emials over there without any luck?
Another user on these forums (hrh68) had recently upgraded to a new S1, you could ask him about his ownership experience. He purchased it from the Bean Alliance, but said that it took a number of months for the order to arrive (Feb->Aug).
http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1122277329
www.beanalliance.com.au
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The other machine Ive been looking at was the La Spaziale Vivaldi s1.
has any one heard what the machine like? Sounds like the Brewtus (without the E61 Group)
I cant find any dis from aus, sent countless emials over there without any luck?
At the mounment Brewtus is winning by default?
What to do?
Cheers
Mark
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Mad_Barun:
The build quality is evidently a bit average in some respects but overall I think it is pretty good. Not in the same league as a Cimbali though.
If you want the precise temperature control though then there isnt really anything else on the market (yet) that would make it as easy to get precise temperature control as the Brewtus.
It certainly isnt going to break on you, I wouldnt think so anyway.
If you want a top quality two boiler machine you could consider the Reneka Techno which has two 1.4L boilers and a rotary pump and can be plumbed in for a bit over 3k. This doesnt have the same ease of temperature control though that the Brewtus has.
Regards,
Grant
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Hi Chaps,
Im just about to place a order for Brewtus (I think is going to called "Barista Minore"),
Ive Bean asking around (non expobar sellers) they telling me that the "expobar isnt as good as the others" Your thoughts? Someone told me it just fit and finish? or does it go deeper with inturnals?
Cheers
coffeeon
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