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  • #31
    Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

    The only problem with the pod is that they work out to quite an expensive shot compared to their natural competitor International Roast....International Roast comes in the big entertainer commercial range that works out to about 3 cents a cup of coffee, so if your stomach and the little taste buds at the back of the mouth can handle either I would go that over the pod....

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    • #32
      Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

      To appreciate why a pod system cant make great espresso you have to understand what does....

      One of the main contributors are the volatile oils which are..... emmm..... volatile!

      Think back to your Chemistry days.... volatile compounds evaporate at room temperature.... and this occurs from the surface of the liquid..

      So with a freshly roasted bean the volatile oils slowly migrate to the surface and evaporate... taking a couple of weeks.

      Ground beans have a far greater surface area and less migration is required.... so the evaporate faster.... a matter of minutes!

      Now if we seal the ground beans in a container..... any container with space in it (basically anything other than compressing the grounds back into a solid bean).... the oils will continue to evaporate until equilibrium between the oils left in the grains and the space is reached.... in fact most will evaporate....

      The other thing which causes degradation is the oxidation of the oils.... which become rancid and give a bad taste to the espresso..... this is caused by oxygen.... and in a pod this has been "flushed out" and replaced by nitrogen.....

      So a pod goes part way to preserving the coffee quality - the coffee wont go off..... but it will be flat and dull due to the lack of volatile oils...

      And that is why pod machines have a form of crema enhancement.... its the volatile oils extracted under pressure and heat - mixed with the carbon dioxide also extracted which produces the crema.... and without these oils (or at least with a drastically reduced level of these oils) there would be very little, if any, crema without enhancement....

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      • #33
        Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

        Lots of technical detail, and this is the place for it. But a top-level view I think everyone will agree with (and one Ive said a number of times before) is:

        If youre satisfied with what youre drinking, thats all that matters.

        Here at CS our aim is getting closer to espresso perfection. Instant coffee, pods and super automatics (at this point in time) cant compete with the manual processes discussed on this site. Does that mean there are no benefits of those options, or that no-one should use them? No. If youre talking just about your personal palate, SUBJECTIVELY, then you alone can be the judge of what suits you. If Susans customers are happy buying pods, regardless of whether the results are good in absolute terms, good luck to them. If youve got a Nespresso and find it works for you then stick with it, regardless of whether its results happen to be better than something else. Its your tastebuds that have to be happy and if they are then why change?

        Of course once we start looking at the subject of espresso quality OBJECTIVELY rather than subjectively, in absolute terms rather than based on invidivuals personal situations, then the frame of reference changes entirely. At this point comments such as pods are fantastic cos theyre clean and my customers like them become both redundant and ignorant of the topic under consideration. Back it up with hard data from experienced tasters and then youll have something to talk about. Given the question in opening post was "how did you find the quality of shots?" from the Nespresso system, the poster was clearly seeking objective information about achievable shot quality, not so much anecdotes about their convenience or sales figures (these may be valid points, but not in this discussion and would be better in a thread of their own).

        CS tends to be at the perfectionist end of the espresso scale results-wise, so systems which produce inferior in-the-cup results will rarely get a good rap. But at the end of the day, each individual has to work out what their individual priorities are and decide accordingly. For some people, espresso quality isnt and isnt likely to appear near the top of the agenda, and in those cases pods or instant will always be better options; but when it comes to espresso quality, theres no substitute for freshly ground and roasted beans, properly prepared quality equipment and a skilled operator.

        Greg

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        • #34
          Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

          Once I perfect my stasis chamber I shall dominate the coffee universe and pods shall reign supreme. . .

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          • #35
            Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

            Originally posted by luca link=1129844239/15#27 date=1186320837
            I doubt very much that the contents of the nespresso capsules would be sealed immediately upon grinding.
            Agreed - is it not also correct that fresh coffee freshly ground vents gasses. If nestle were to package fresh ground coffee in a air tight seal the pod would eventually burst from the pressure that would build up from the vented gasses?

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            • #36
              Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

              anthonyd, this is correct!

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              • #37
                Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

                Hes my 2c.

                I love fresh coffee. I own a EM6900 and have made great coffee with it. I have also waisted kilos of good beans because I havent drunk enough coffee, KILOS I tell ya, money down the drain. And being I am not the best coffee maker in the world, my success rate with the 6900 is fair at best. Had some great shots, and some bloody terrible shots. At the end of the day, I cant be bothered with trying to perfect my coffee with the 6900, or any other top of the line machine I could replace it with. And why cant I be bothered?
                Because I also own an Nespresso machine, And I agree whole heartedly that it wont make as good a cup of coffee as the 6900 can, but it also "In MY Opinion" and the ONLY opinion that matters, is the Nespresso does not make a bad cup of coffee, good enough for me to totally ignore my 6900 and drink Nespresso exclusively. Ive got way better things to do than to try and perfect a good shot with the 6900, I really cant be bothered. The Nespresso will give me what I want, when I want it, EVERY TIME. Its my mouth, my taist buds, my choice, and get of your high horses.

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                • #38
                  Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

                  Originally posted by Skamp link=1129844239/30#36 date=1186448302
                  Hes my 2c.

                  I love fresh coffee. I own a EM6900 and have made great coffee with it. I have also waisted kilos of good beans because I havent drunk enough coffee, KILOS I tell ya, money down the drain. And being I am not the best coffee maker in the world, my success rate with the 6900 is fair at best. Had some great shots, and some bloody terrible shots. At the end of the day, I cant be bothered with trying to perfect my coffee with the 6900, or any other top of the line machine I could replace it with. And why cant I be bothered?
                  Because I also own an Nespresso machine, And I agree whole heartedly that it wont make as good a cup of coffee as the 6900 can, but it also "In MY Opinion" and the ONLY opinion that matters, is the Nespresso does not make a bad cup of coffee, good enough for me to totally ignore my 6900 and drink Nespresso exclusively. Ive got way better things to do than to try and perfect a good shot with the 6900, I really cant be bothered. The Nespresso will give me what I want, when I want it, EVERY TIME. Its my mouth, my taist buds, my choice, and get of your high horses.
                  So, when are you selling the Sunbeam? Ebay awaits you :-)

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                  • #39
                    Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

                    Skamp, this isnt about being on a High Horse as your so describe. Its explaining the differences. If Nespresso floats your boat, good for you. No one is criticising this. Perhaps you need to get off your high horse??

                    Remember, this is Coffeesnobs and is named accordingly. If you dont fit that bill all good and well... but dont shoot down this community which IS bothered to take the time with Espresso preparation the best they can with whatever gear they choose/\/can afford to use.

                    All professional baristas agree fundumentally on one thing. FRESH COFFEE, freshly ground on demand from "Freshly roasted beans (within a approx 28day span). PODs dont offer this. Are you saying that Baristas are on a High Horse? No, its a standard by which to work from.

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                    • #40
                      Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

                      If Anyone in Canberra wants to buy the 6900 from me for $200, lemme know. Say no to ebay.......


                      I made a post awhile back explaing to people here that I enjoyed all types of coffee for what they are, be that its instant, fresh or pod. They each have their own taiste, and I enjoy a cup of instant as much as a good cup of fresh coffee, but all I got was "instant is rubbish, fresh is better" yadda, yadda, yadda. It got real boring, real fast, so I stopped coming here. I only popped my head in today out of bordom, and to see the same ol same ol..........

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                      • #41
                        Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

                        Uh Skamp, ditto Marcstolk and take a chill pill. You say:

                        "Its my mouth, my taist buds, my choice".

                        Take a look at my first post in this thread http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1129844239/32#32 (which sits a whole four posts above yours):

                        "If youre satisfied with what youre drinking, thats all that matters."

                        Im not sure what youre complaining about... :-?

                        Id recommend you take the time to read some of the posts you want to criticise before you start; given you havent addressed any of the very reasonable responses Marcstolk gave you, I suspect you didnt read the others before your initial post.

                        For what its worth, I agree with you that all coffees have their own flavour and benefits (instant included), some of which suit my palate and some of which dont. However this discussion as I said is objective by virtue of the opening posters request, for objective information, and in that context we have to talk about the absolute quality of results from the Nespresso and pods in general, not whether what it produces happens to suit your palate versus mine.

                        Greg

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                        • #42
                          Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

                          Yes I did read that Greg, but my complaints are a generalisation.

                          A real Coffee snob in my opinion should love all forms of coffee.

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                          • #43
                            Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

                            Bump: just updated my last post which I think is particularly relevant.

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                            • #44
                              Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

                              I love machines especially this new one - sorry I dont really have anything to contribute to this discussion Ill go back to my garage now

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                              • #45
                                Re: anyone using a nespresso machine?

                                Originally posted by Skamp link=1129844239/30#41 date=1186452002
                                A real Coffee snob in my opinion should love all forms of coffee.
                                Mmm, not exactly. Love is a personal thing. I think a real coffee snob should be prepared to consider all forms of coffee, absolutely, be it pod, instant or whatever, but there are unchangeable rules which govern the absolute quality of what comes out (e.g. freshness of beans and grinds), and systems which directly contravene those rules will never produce the same results as those which comply.

                                Whether or not an individuals palate prefers one flavour over another is a separate thing altogether. A Grange Hermitage may be a better wine than a $5 house variety, and while most would probably prefer the former, it doesnt *automatically* follow that everyone will, especially if youre the one paying for it!

                                Greg

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