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  • #16
    Re: Upgrading Silvia

    Off topic replies have been moved to [link=http://www.coffeesnobs.com.au/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Brew;action=display;num=1101568412]This Thread[/link] by CoffeeSnobs.

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    • #17
      Re: Upgrading Silvia

      Rich
      Ill take a pic of the smallish kitchen dominated by espresso equipment and send it to you. I am not sure how to put it on the forum.
      John

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      • #18
        Re: Upgrading Silvia

        Wired
        WRX vs Audi: Safety and reliability.
        Audi is a great machine. But from personal experience so is the WRX. Assume we are comparing the Quatro and the WRX. And $ for $ the WRX leaves pretty well everything else in its wake. Incredible brakes and safety features. Unfortunately I only had my last one for 6 weeks. I hit a red light runner broadside. The WRX pulled up pretty smoothely. Unfortunately it was a right off. But fortunately, I walked away. I would have no hesitation in buying another.
        John

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        • #19
          Re: Upgrading Silvia

          Originally posted by GR8WineandCoffee link=1101282668/15#19 date=1101635358
          Rich
          Ill take a pic of the smallish kitchen dominated by espresso equipment and send it to you. I am not sure how to put it on the forum.
          John
          Excellent ill look forward to to the "Dude Wheres my Kitchen?" Pics. Email them to me and Ill add them to your origonal post.

          or does your kichen look more like a Darlek invasion "Exterminate!"

          BTW you can pick up a good WRX in NZ(Jap Import) for $15000 -$25000 with about 45000 k on the clock. a stuffed one will cost you $10000 or less.
          Rich

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          • #20
            Re: Upgrading Silvia

            Rich
            After the prang, (nearly went under the tray of the Rodeo ute) decided to get a little higher of the tar. So found a RAV4 at the right price. It is a bit sluggish, but gets me from A to B and it is pretty cheap running.
            Compared to the fridge the 3 machines do not take up much space.
            I keep saying to Roz that the fridge can be easilly moved into the loungroom!!!!!!!!!!!
            Will get a few pics.
            john

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            • #21
              Re: Upgrading Silvia

              Originally posted by CoffeeSnobs link=1101282668/15#21 date=1101637681
              a stuffed one will cost you $10000 or less.
              Rich
              Owing to the fact that (from what Ive seen anyway) the vast majority of WRX drivers are under 25 have a baseball hat on backwards and drive along flat chat in a 60km zone with DOOF! DOOF! DOOF! music playing. Id suspect youd be be paying $10000 less for all of em. The vast consensus would be that theyd all be stuffed.

              Good (used) WRXs owned by responsible people would be very much the minority.

              Most of the ones on used car lots would be formerly owned by kids who drive them into the ground, leave them in a smoking heap and say.... "Dad this car doesnt work anymore. Can I get a HSV Holden or BMW Z1?" :-/

              Warren -

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              • #22
                Re: Upgrading Silvia

                I would have gone Kenworth Vs Ferrari or Catapiller D10 Vs Bobcat if you wanted to dig a hole. You can dig a mighty big hole mighty quickly with a Catapiller D10 bulldozer you can the same hole with a Bobcat it will take you a little bit longer.

                thought for the day

                Rich

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                • #23
                  Re: Upgrading Silvia

                  Wired
                  Do you have the Classic or Premium Giotto?
                  John

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                  • #24
                    Re: Upgrading Silvia

                    I have a Classic as the Premium was only a vague rumour at the time I bought it. Wish I had the double walled steaming wand but otherwise Im happy.

                    re HX machines being the same as commercial machines, this comes down to common terms of reference as I was intending to distinguish home HX machines from more basic home machines with thermoblocks.

                    The difference with commercial machines is they have rotary pumps, larger boilers and more thermal mass so would generally be expected to introduce less variables in this area. Of course I know there are the Krups of commercial machines too.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Upgrading Silvia

                      Originally posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1101282668/15#28 date=1102032159
                      I spotted on another site and wait for it... "prosumer"...(gimme a break)...
                      Id say "Prosumer" derives from overused American marketing hyperbole.

                      Seems to be the only way they can sell something in the US is to use the adage "Do it like a Pro" .... "Just like the Pros use".

                      You see it as a selling point on many things. Justifies the higher price point. Thus giving a higher-end machine the "Prosumer" tag makes your average home user feel like theyre running his/her own cafe. ;D

                      Warren -


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                      • #26
                        Re: Upgrading Silvia

                        Well, a "prosumer" tag does distinguish machines like the ECM Giotto, La Scala Butterfly and Expobar Pulser from the fully commercial single group machines like the La Cimbali Jr or Gaggia TS which are MUCH bigger physically (basically due to the larger boilers). Operation principle is the same but capacity and heatup energy are rather different.

                        Greg

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                        • #27
                          Re: Upgrading Silvia

                          There are officially accepted industry terms? I thought it was all marketing no matter how you looked at it. Can I see a reference to the rules? Id like to see the official definition of semi-commercial as opposed to commercial.

                          Greg

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                          • #28
                            Re: Upgrading Silvia

                            Hi
                            I am allowed to get my Rancilio Epoca S1 just before Christmas from Mocopan $2500. No semi-commercial for me. Ill also use it for HOT water in the kitchen

                            I am going for the Epoca for this reason:- Silvia is head and shoulders above all other machines in its class. I figure that the Epoca will be of equal quality and they look much better in real life. Plus the most important the coffee tastes fantastic

                            David

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                            • #29
                              Re: Upgrading Silvia

                              If the other machines are "The Same basic" how did they get it so wrong?

                              Why do the coffees out of a Silvia taste (and thats the important bit) So much better. My friends have a Seaco something that *$s were selling the comparison isnt even close. IMHO the only machine in my experience that is close to a Silvia is the Gaggia classic. So IMHO Silvia is head and shoulders above the compitiion in its class. Siliva does make coffees almost as consistantly good as the two HX machines I tried some time ago. Where Silvia will let you down is when you have to make more than 4 coffees. My sisters machine Arieti or what ever it is still isnt a close second to Silvia and thats italitan built. I could make a list Solis, Imat............ while will make you a perfectly acceptable cup of espresso and better than most cafés. IMHO Silvia is still better.

                              Silvia will most certainly make coffees better than 95%+ of all cafés you will care to visit.

                              The interals of ANY hot water storage device turns disgusting after a period of time. The hot water wand on the Epoca is very short so to contaminate the boiller through stuff being sucked through that you must be PFS or very unlucky. I was only going to use it for hot water for Tea and cooking veges go for me it will suit me. Now I will be able to turn my underbench hot water service down to the recomended 60deg C for saftey reasons.

                              I dont feel ill need "Luck" with the Epoca as Im sure the build quality is of the high standard as my Silvia. Which will be semi retired to going on trips. Put out to pasture so to speak

                              Cheers
                              David

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                              • #30
                                Re: Upgrading Silvia

                                Fith,

                                firstly congrats on getting a new epoca, Im sure it will be an awesome machine which will serve you well for many years.

                                regarding Silvia I took a double take when I read your original statement about it being head and shoulders above the rest as well as FC. Ive had a krups, gaggia baby, gaggia factory(lever), silvia and cimbali junior all of which except the Krups are capable of making great coffee.

                                The gaggia classic is a nice machine but will produce identical shots to the much cheaper carezza or evolutions as they have the same internals excpet for the three way valve.

                                IMHO The major determination for great coffee will be in order of importance.

                                1. Beans quality and freshness. if the beans are crap or stale you will never get a decent cup even if you have $20k LM

                                2. Grinder: Gotta be capable of fine consistent grind for espresso.

                                3. Operator skills: A bad operator can make great beans taste like crap

                                4. Water quality

                                5. Machine

                                Differences in the first 4 points will have a much greater bearing on the outcome of the coffee than the machine. Id much prefer fresh beans from a Krups than stale from my Cimbali.

                                To validly compare output from different machines all the above variables must be consistent or at least of comparable quality.

                                re contaminants being sucked into the boiler this would usually be milk via the steam wand not via the hot water tap. If you want to understand how easily this can happen do some googling on false pressure valves and espresso

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