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  • Expobar Minore/Brewtus II

    I am about to place my order for a demo of this machine...and I had an idea..

    Would any Melbourne based CS members like to jump on and Ill do a bulk order? You will receive the best price in Melbourne for pre-ordering this machine and then we can all get together for a CS delivery/play day on a weekend sometime soon?? 8-)

    Chris

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    Re: Expobar Minore/Brewtus II

    Could I have an even swap with the Silvia? ;D

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    • #3
      Re: Expobar Minore/Brewtus II

      Sure thing, Judy. My Silvia for your Brewtus II ;P

      Chris, hows aboot setting up a giotto and doing the play day as a demo of both?

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      • #4
        Re: Expobar Minore/Brewtus II

        Hi
        I dont want to put you off but I have a Minore I got just before last Xmas and I would not recommended it to any one
        1st problem was after it was on for an hour old and it was leaking after a fair bit of stuffing round 4 days later it was back
        2nd problem sticking brew switch and after it going back to Melbourne importer to fix its problems it came back to me with a new steam wand new digital heat control list of other dough full things that were checked or so they said but the brew switch wasn’t fixed so in the end I fixed it, Very pore finish quality
        Again I would not get one of these machines.....

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        • #5
          Re: Expobar Minore/Brewtus II

          Interesting feedback and good to know. Please note that the Minore has been updated and is now the minore II- i.e the Minore is now an outdated model. There are a host of changes/improvements to the Minore II. Will be good to have a play with the demo model...

          Chris

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          • #6
            Re: Expobar Minore/Brewtus II

            I got the Minore about a month ago and i have no complaints at all. Other than my inability to make microfoam, Im still getting hot milk (although i am getting better at it). i think the problem for me is with the twin tips the milk is up to temperature in about 30 secs so i dont have the luxury of time to make up for short comings in my technique.

            From all the reivews i had read off the net over the 2 month period i was researching it was clear that the finish was no where near the likes of the Giotto. i had read (not sure where) that expobar in designing it in conjunction with whole latte love built the machine to a list of features and with a price point in mind. as such, the exterior finish was a bit of an afterthought. i think they went for function over form.

            so i went into it knowing the shortomings, i.e.

            1)noisy pump (its not that loud, but i dont really have anything to compare it with)

            2)lack of handles on the cup warmer. thats an easy fix, there are pre drilled holes that apparently fit normal drawer handles. i plan on having a metal fabricator relative make me up a proper stainless rail so that should fix that

            3) probably not the best fitment on the drip tray (its not really that much of an issue)

            4) perhaps not the best asthetics, but that is a subjective point, i think it looks great.

            but there were also a lot of pros in the machine for me. there is a good article here that lists out the additions to the miore II

            http://www.wholelattelove.com/Expobar/brewtus.cfm

            also checkout the brewtus user group

            www.brewtusgroup.com

            having said that i am a bit of a novice. i am particular about my coffee and have a list of cafes i wont go to from bad past experiences. i have used about a krups machine (not sure of the model but it was around the $450 mark) at my parents, but i was never really happy with the quality of the coffee it was producing. i think the grinder had a bit to do with that too.

            so i am still on the steep end of the learning curve. however, to my taste the quality of the coffees i am producing with the minore are far better than a lot of cafes. my espressos are much better than my milk based drinks.

            so at the end of the day i am more than happy with my purchase

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            • #7
              Re: Expobar Minore/Brewtus II

              Clint, you say theres not enough time to produce microfoam before the milk is gets hot. Do you keep your jug in the fridge? That will give you a few more degrees to warm up and therefore more time.

              Robusto

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              • #8
                Re: Expobar Minore/Brewtus II

                Robusto

                thanks, coincidently i started keeping the jug in the freezer on the weekend, so it does extend the heating time alittle.

                i am getting better, i can now produce foam for a capuccino (where i couldnt before) but i am still not quite there on the microfoam. i suspect it is the combining part of the milk heating that is not happening for me.

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                • #9
                  Re: Expobar Minore/Brewtus II

                  Originally posted by robusto link=1142837947/0#6 date=1143099549
                  Clint, you say theres not enough time to produce microfoam before the milk is gets hot.  Do you keep your jug in the fridge?   That will give you a few more degrees to warm up and therefore more time.

                  Robusto
                  Sounds like the holes in the steam wand may be a tad big. I personally like 2 x 1.2mm approx.....have you investigated a replacement tip? Alternately, hows your technique? If you can survive on a San Marino with 4x1.5mm hole tip and a 300ml jug, its heading in the right direction!

                  2mcm

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                  • #10
                    Re: Expobar Minore/Brewtus II

                    FYI all I am led to understand that the boat "got lost" - i.e shipment is delayed. Expect a further delay of up to six weeks...

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                    • #11
                      Re: Expobar Minore/Brewtus II

                      Originally posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1142837947/0#8 date=1143437181
                      Originally posted by robusto link=1142837947/0#6 date=1143099549
                      Clint, you say theres not enough time to produce microfoam before the milk is gets hot.  Do you keep your jug in the fridge?   That will give you a few more degrees to warm up and therefore more time.

                      Robusto
                      Sounds like the holes in the steam wand may be a tad big. I personally like 2 x 1.2mm approx.....have you investigated a replacement tip? Alternately, hows your technique? If you can survive on a San Marino with 4x1.5mm hole tip and a 300ml jug, its heading in the right direction!  

                      2mcm
                      going ot from the original thread here but...

                      I had all sorts of problems steaming small amounts of milk, eg for 2 lattes, with the 4 hole tip on my cimbali. Tried varying size and shape jugs  and even plugged two holes in the steam tip which improved things but the microfoam was still nowhere near as good as on the Napoletana or Silvia which I used to own.  Things got way too hot before the milk was stretched and texturing would just scald it further. With a 2.5 ltr boiler and 1800watt element 300mls of milk would boil in a few seconds.

                      THen one day when I couldnt be bothered waiting for the jugs to be washed I grabbed a tall narrow "highball" type glass and easily produced some of the best microfoam of my "career" 8-). So for me a narrow steamnng vessel was much more effective with this steam tip, maybe woth a try to see if it helps.

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                        Re: Expobar Minore/Brewtus II

                        THen one day when I couldnt be bothered waiting for the jugs to be washed I grabbed a tall narrow "highball" type glass and easily produced some of the best microfoam of my "career" Cool. So for me a narrow steamnng vessel was much more effective with this steam tip, maybe woth a try to see if it helps.
                        Id have to agree there Mauricem. My experience has been that the depth of the milk is more important than the volume. Using a smaller diameter pitcher works like a charm when frothing smaller volumes of milk, especially on the big boy power house machines.

                        If the depth of the milk is too shallow frothing becomes a real challange if not outright impossible. To make the frothing as easy as possible my experience has been that you need a minimum of about 2cm depth to the milk. The deeper the milk is the easier it is to foam.

                        Java "Foaming around the mouth" phile
                        Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Expobar Minore/Brewtus II

                          Quite true, Javaphile. Last night I suffered a severe attack of MDB --male domestic blindness---and could not find the small steaming jug.

                          So I gave up looking and used the stand-by large one. Now, I reckon I make pretty good microfoam without any bubbles. But the big jug for just one latte for SWMBO was not a good result. As you say, milk depth--or lack of it, is the problem.

                          Robusto

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                          • #14
                            Re: Expobar Minore/Brewtus II

                            Robusto

                            Sounds like the holes in the steam wand may be a tad big. I personally like 2 x 1.2mm approx.....have you investigated a replacement tip? Alternately, hows your technique? If you can survive on a San Marino with 4x1.5mm hole tip and a 300ml jug, its heading in the right direction!

                            2mcm
                            I had considered it but i havent had a look into it as yet. I wasnt sure whether I would be able to simply buy a single hole tip (that would fit my arm) or if I had to buy the whole steam arm. However, I will look into it.

                            Thanks guys for the other pointers, i might try and find something narrow to froth in.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Expobar Minore/Brewtus II

                              FYI all- expobar in now talking May on this item.... :-[

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