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I have been a regular reader of CS for many months and decided to join the group to make some input on this item. I have also been interested in the arrival of the EM6910 - information on this new machine has just appeared on the Sunbeam website: http://www.sunbeam.com.au/products/product.cfm?sec_id=79 It is interesting that the EM6900 is still listed at $599 and the new EM6910 is listed at $699. I look forward to hearing about some user experiences with the new model.
The pre-production rumors that I have heard said that they had changed it by:
-making all of the body SS and getting rid of the plastic bits
-replacing the single-hole steam tip with multiple ones
-packaging it with FOUR baskets (monster quad, monster single, standard double and a basket with a pressurised valve built into it ... clever)
-steam thermoblock is bigger
-brew temperature is adjustable (the rumor is that this is a feature that was put in for coffeesnobs, but will probably not be advertised to the general public!)
Looks to be a much better machine ... quite possibly a "silvia killer" ... will probably perform better and with less hassles until the electronics die, at which stage you will need another machine. With the Silvia, you just replace a few parts and theres no reason that it shouldnt last for 50 years. That said, all of the espresso that I had on the previous machine was sour, so Ill reserve judgment until Ive actually tried it.
If those rumors have made it to the production version, the markup seems quite reasonable to me.
The Sunbeam product description is the same as the EM6900, why I duno... but you they put $100 increase without changes to prod description... strange...
It would be interesting if you can adjust the brew temp as well... Im interested to see one... I was in Myer and DJ last night and Myer is still flogging the EM6900 (With the old Black Seal - but this was a display model) but DJ had Nothing....
Im on the verge of firing up my Sunbeam EM6900 thermoblock based machine. It will have a PID to control the brew/group temperature. Ill thermolog this beast to see what the technology is capable of. Therell be no seal/group problems with this machine as its using a commercial Bezzera group. It should be interesting....
I have now had a week to put my EM6910 through its paces and this machine is just the best. If it doesnt take the market by storm I dont know what will. The whole machine is incredible. The adjustments are amazing and the quality of the pour is better than any home user could ever expect. I can confidently say I can now make a better coffee at home than 99.9% of coffees I buy.
Originally posted by PaulEagar link=1160113497/15#22 date=1160802629
Hi everyone,
I have now had a week to put my EM6910 through its paces and this machine is just the best. If it doesnt take the market by storm I dont know what will. The whole machine is incredible. The adjustments are amazing and the quality of the pour is better than any home user could ever expect. I can confidently say I can now make a better coffee at home than 99.9% of coffees I buy.
Paul
Sorry, Paul ..... I ask again, where are the pics, the details and the evedance ?
While I was going to purchase an EM6900 when they first came out, it was only going to be after reports from solid sources as the money / costs would push my budget. It did not take long before many praised the EM6900, however the quality and the real issues were soon to be identified by those who were qualified.
If the Sales hype come close to matching Reality, then I may agin revisit the EM69xx model as an option, however it will require some solid evedance and time for Sunbeam to win back my confedance!
As to
Originally posted by PaulEagar link=1160113497/15#22 date=1160802629
I can confidently say I can now make a better coffee at home than 99.9% of coffees I buy. Paul
I would suggest that the issue with most stats, are that they are made up and / or often quoted to push a point.
Thus on reading your comment I question the reson behind it and / or the place ( or places) you might be purchasing your coffee from. Then again if PaulEagar was a net nic name for Paul Bassett it could explain a thing or two.
All that aside, I am glad you are happy with your purchase and wish you all the best in the journey and experiences the coffee road will take you.
AM
PS. Got out of the wrong side of bed this afternoon...
Wit is a treacherous dart. It is perhaps the only weapon with which it is possible to stab oneself in ones own back. Geoffrey Bocca
Paul there are dangers in hyperbole.
This is not sour grapes, just (a little) wisdom of experience.
Brett
p.s. Id be more than pleased if what you said was right and more pleased again if the machine came with a program to overcome the inconsistencies of the human condition as well as the vagaries of climatic change (anyone else suffering this east coast hot dry weather and the constant fiddling with the grinder to overcome very dry coffee and premature blonding?) !
Originally posted by PaulEagar link=1160113497/15#22 date=1160802629
If it doesnt take the market by storm I dont know what will.
I wonder which market it is going to take by storm? This is not a jibe, but a genuine question. Im wondering how big a market there is for $700 coffee machines. Maybe the harware sellers here can help. I know I had a big intake of breath before I forked out $750 for a machine and most people still look shocked when I mention how much I spent on a machine. How big is the market for this price range?
Hopefully the machine can live up to expectations, especially being an Aussie product its good to know that there will be a good local alternative. Having said that if I had $700 burning a hole in my pocket I would wait 6 months to see if the QC issues arise again.
Let the fun begin. My beast works and Ive just finished the first espresso and cappuccino made with the Mountain Top Bundja beans.
This is early days and I havent thermologged it as the group seal is new and too tight for the naked PF that Im using (a non Bezzera PF) Ill either make another naked PF with an old Bezzera PF I have lying around or grind the jugs down a bit on the one I have.
Anyway, Im using a PID temperature control with 0.1 oC increments. At present Im running in on/off (zero deadband thermostat) mode, which is probably how Sunbeam have it set up. I notice a substantial temperature overshoot of about 2 oC, which probably explains the 2 oC temperature steps on the EM6910. Anyway, the PID display allows me to watch the input temperature during the shot and by using on/off mode, as soon as the temperature drops (due to inflowing water) the element kicks on and stays on. So I set it to 94 oC and saw swings up to 95.8 oC due to the on/off thermostat. As soon as I run the shot the temperature drops dramatically, but during the shot the temperature stabilizes at around 85 oC. That doesnt mean the shot temperature is that low (this is measured at the input to the thermoblock, not the output). The key point here is the thermoblock has the capability to stabilize the temperature during a standard double shot. This is quite unlike the older/cheaper thermoblocks, where the temperature continues to plummet during a shot.
As for the taste, the shot poured out beautifully at a pressure of about 8 bar. The initial part of the shot I used for an espresso and the other side of the spout made a cappuccino. The espresso tasted very similar to a BZ35 made shot, with no real traces of sourness or bitterness and quite a nice fruity note. The cappuccino was also very sweet and quite nice.
One shot does not a decent test make, but my initial impression is very favorable and it really does look like this technology is capable of making great espresso, especially with the variable temperature control.
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