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  • Info/Reviews of Espresso machines. NO DISCUSSIONS

    This thread is for the posting of basic information/reviews of espresso machines and is intended to be used as a starting point for those looking at acquiring a new machine.

    For ease of reading posts should be made using the following format:

    Machine Name:
    Price Range:
    Features (thermoblock, dual boilers, etc):
    Notes:

    This thread is not for any discussion, only informational posts in the above format. Any posts made not of this type will be deleted.

    Unless you have some additional information about a machine that has already been covered please do not make an additional post.

    Please use the regular forum for any discussion or questions.

    For further information on a particular machine use the search button at the top of the page, or alternatively use your favorite search engine and add the string site:coffeesnobs.com.au to limit the returns to only this site.


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  • #2
    Re: Info/Reviews of Espresso machines. NO DISCUSSIONS

    This is my first decent espresso machine and am certainly no expert but this is my experience of my machine so far

    Machine Name: Expobar Office Semi-auto/auto
    Price Range: Semi-auto Fits in the over $1500 range (at time of writing), Auto over $1700
    Features: Heat Exchanger, E61 style group (not genuine E61 though), Brew and Steam simultaneously (never tried)  
    Notes: The semi-auto is the base model in the Expobar range, an entry level HX machine. The auto adds a volumetric touch pad.

    Is really easy to use. The shower screen does sit fairly low on these but I have just adjusted my dosing technique accordingly. I went straight to this machine so cant compare it to a single boiler or any other machine. Takes commercial portafilters and baskets.
    Most importantly site sponsors can look after you for both sale and service of this machine.

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    • #3
      Re: Info/Reviews of Espresso machines. NO DISCUSSIONS

      Machine Name: La San Marco 85-16M-2 (2grp)
      Price Range: over $3k+ (not a current model so 2nd hand price much less than this)
      Features:
      - Heat Exchanger,
      - simultaneous brew and steam,
      - hot water spout,
      - semi-auto and full-auto operation,
      - volumetric dosing,
      - 53mm portafilters,
      - plumbed in water and drainage (of course).
      - 12L boiler
      - 3,000W heating element
      - external rotary pump w/300W motor
      - comes standard with water softner and filter

      Notes: Is very heavy (as with most commercial machines this size) appears quite well designed.
      This model is La San Marcos most successfull production run.First released in 1985, production continued until 2004 (almost 20yrs).

      One feature worth noting relates to the fully-automatic nature of the machine. While it does an electronics control button-pad with programmable pre-set dosing as well as semi-auto function on this pad....it also contains an "emergency" set of heavy duty switches on the left had side.
      One to switch between "manual" (semi-auto) and Auto (full-auto)
      And one for each group.

      These switches operate completely independantly of the electronic button-pad and as the manual states, are to be used in case of failure of the electronics system.

      Very handy if youre apprehensive of electronics on these kind of machines.

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      • #4
        Re: Info/Reviews of Espresso machines. NO DISCUSSIONS

        Machine Name: ECM Giotto Premium- discontinued Aug 08
        Price Range: RRP $2550

        Features:  
        - Heat Exchanger,  
        - simultaneous brew and steam,  
        - hot water spout,
        - teflon lined cool touch wands
        - lever operated e-61 group,  
        - 58mm portafilters,  
        - plumbing not recommended
        - 1.8L boiler
        - 1300W heating element
        - internal vibe pump

        Notes: Top quality chrome plated stainless steel model.  


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        • #5
          Re: Info/Reviews of Espresso machines. NO DISCUSSIONS

          Machine Name: ECM Veneziano Family
          Price Range: RRP circa $4k Veneziano S1, RRP circa $4.5k Veneziano A1 displayed Discontinued 2008

          Features:  
          - Heat Exchanger,  
          - simultaneous brew and steam,  
          - hot water spout,
          - teflon lined cool touch wands
          - S1 has lever operated e-61 group as per ECM Giotto,  A1 has Volumetric touch pad
          - 58mm portafilters,  
          - tank or plumb in via switch
          - 2.5L boiler
          - 1800W heating element
          - internal rotary pump

          Notes: The Veneziano has been used in recent heats of Aust barista comps...The S1 model is much rarer in Australia- approximately 10 in total exist. The S1 removes the Volumetric touchpad and replaces the group with a Giotto style e-61 lever group- the result looks like a bigger, but commercial Giotto  .


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          • #6
            Re: Info/Reviews of Espresso machines. NO DISCUSSIONS

            Machine Name: ECM Botticelli
            Price Range: RRP circa $1k. NB NO LONGER IMPORTED INTO AUSTRALAI

            Features:  
            - single boiler machine,
            - high polish stainless steel,
            - temperature gauge,  
            - hot water spout via steam wand- which is fixed,
            - 58mm portafilters,  
            - 0.4L boiler
            - 1200W heating element
            - internal vibe pump

            Notes: A competitor to the Rancilio Silvia


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            • #7
              Re: Info/Reviews of Espresso machines. NO DISCUSSIONS

              Machine Name: Rancilio Silvia
              Price Range: RRP $825

              Features:
               

              - single boiler machine,  
              - satin finish stainless steel,  
              - hot water spout via steam wand- which rotates but is not ball-jointed
              - 58mm portafilters,  
              - 0.3L boiler  
              - 1200W heating element  
              - internal vibe pump
               
              Notes: Shower screen fairly low on this model. Updosing can be quite challenging  

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              • #8
                Re: Info/Reviews of Espresso machines. NO DISCUSSIONS

                Machine Name: Expobar Office leva eb-61
                Price Range: circa $2.2k


                Features:  
                - Heat Exchanger,  
                - simultaneous brew and steam,  
                - hot water spout,  
                - lever operated eb-61 group,  
                - 58mm portafilters,  
                - plumbing not recommended
                - 1.8L boiler  
                - 1300W heating element  
                - internal vibe pump
                 
                Notes: Spanish built competitor to Giotto and similar. eb-61 shower screen is lower than that of e-61 in Giotto, Diadema etc. These machines typically ship at 12+ bar pump pressure and require adjustment. Build quality is not as good as the Italian machines

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                • #9
                  Re: Info/Reviews of Espresso machines. NO DISCUSSIONS

                  Machine Name: Expobar Office Minore II/Brewtus II
                  Price Range: RRP circa $2.6k  

                   
                  Features:  
                  - Dual boiler machine,  
                  - HX in steam boiler supplies water to brew boiler,
                  - Gauges for boiler and pump pressure,
                  - simultaneous brew and steam,    
                  - hot water spout,  
                  - lever operated eb-61 group,    
                  - 58mm portafilters,    
                  - plumb in via conversion to rotary pump (+high $300s?). NB internal tank is lost with this modification
                  - 2 x 1.5L boilers  
                  - 1200W heating element in each  
                  - internal vibe pump  
                   
                  Notes: Spanish built. eb-61 shower screen is lower than that of e-61 in Giotto, Diadema etc. These machines typically ship at 12+ bar pump pressure and require adjustment. Build quality is not as good as the Italian machines. I have found that a full bench test and comprehensive check is advisable.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Info/Reviews of Espresso machines. NO DISCUSSIONS

                    Machine Name: Diadema/Unico range
                    Price Range: low mid $2k to high $2k


                    Features:  
                    - Heat Exchanger,  
                    - simultaneous brew and steam,  
                    - hot water spout,  
                    - teflon lined cool touch wands
                    - lever operated e-61 group except Diadema Junior plus semi-auto (funky toggles )  
                    - 58mm portafilters,  
                    - plumbing not recommended
                    - 1.3L boiler  
                    - 1300W heating element  
                    - internal vibe pump
                     
                    Notes: Top quality Italian machines. Wands rotate through one plane in leva and Unico splendor (easily bent to suit); wands are ball jointed on Junior plus, Elettronica. Diademas are absolute workhorses and superbly constructed.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Info/Reviews of Espresso machines. NO DISCUSSIONS

                      Machine Name: Iberital LAnna/Handy
                      Price Range: circa $3k (I think )

                      Features:
                       
                      - Heat Exchanger,  
                      - simultaneous brew and steam,  
                      - hot water spout,  
                      - Semi-auto or Volumetric touch pad
                      - 58mm portafilters,  
                      - 2L tank or plumb in
                      - 4L boiler  
                      - 2400W heating element  
                      - internal rotary pump
                       
                      Notes: Lower priced competitor to ECM Veneziano...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Info/Reviews of Espresso machines. NO DISCUSSIONS

                        Machine Name: Quaha/Imat Junior/Mokita, Nemox Junior, Fenice
                        Price Range: $500-$600


                        Features:
                        * 300mL single brass boiler
                        * 1100W heating element
                        * Vibratory pump
                        * 57mm portafilter (53mm on Nemox Junior)
                        * 3L (approx) internal tank
                        * Rotating steam / hot water wand (no ball joint)
                        * Series 2 and later machines have a 3-way valve

                        Notes: Good entry level higher end domestic machine. Some minor build quality issues but will generally last many years without significant breakages. Some supply problems in late 2006, but very similar to the Nemox machines which are still available.


                        Machine Name: Quaha/Imat Napoletana/Mokita Combi, Nemox Napoletana, Opera
                        Price Range: $680-$750


                        Features:
                        * Identical to the Junior/Mokita above but with a built-in burr grinder.
                        * 53mm portafilter on Nemox Napoletana

                        Notes: As above. Excellent value for money, as it has the Lux grinder built into the body means one less thing on the bench. Cheaper than buying a Junior / Mokita and a Lux separately. Grinder is noisy though.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Info/Reviews of Espresso machines. NO DISCUSSIONS

                          Machine Name: Used commercial Machine
                          Acquisition Price: From about $300 upwards
                          Price buying New: $3.5K - Skys the Limit


                          Features:
                          -heat exchanger
                          -one to four groups
                          -Capable of producing excellent espresso (as fast as you can fill/tamp/load the pf)
                          -can texture milk continuously
                          -standard portafilter
                          -rotary pump

                          Notes:
                          -When purchasing S/H unit first check spares are available for that machine from CoffeeParts - in which case they are very cheap!
                          -one group machines are harder to find and are more expensive
                          -generally require to be plumbed into water and a drain - some can draw water from a container (check the type of rotary pump)
                          -will generally require some TLC to restore to top condition
                          -really only practical for someone with the skills/knowledge/time to do the restoration themselves
                          -once restored they will produce quality espresso for ever!
                          -require a quality grinder for best results.

                          Cautions:
                          Generally require special high current power run (>15 Amps- some as high as 30 Amps). Single group will sometimes plug into a standard outlet.
                          For the higher number of groups check they are not 3 phase only - not a problem if you have 3 phase power! Some can be converted to single phase.
                          If left on 24/7 consume heaps of power (several hundred watts per hour)
                          If switched on "when required" they take an hour for the temp to stabalise.
                          Require lots of bench space - especially 2 group and above.

                          Once restored are a pleasure to own and operate - and will put an end to "upgradeitis"!!

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                          • #14
                            Re: Info/Reviews of Espresso machines. NO DISCUSSIONS

                            Machine Name: Maver Makin Espresso
                            Price Range: mid $2k Discontinued 2009

                            Features:
                            -1.3L boiler
                            -1300W element
                            -Heat exchanger
                            -Both brew pressure and boiler pressure gauges
                            -E61 group head
                            -Ball jointed hot water wand
                            -Ball jointed steam wand
                            -Large, easily removeable drip tray
                            -Weight-activated water sensor
                            -Power on, element on and at temperature lights
                            -Element and temperature lights turn off to indicate low water
                            -MA-TER XP700 pressurestat
                            -Internal vibratory pump
                            -3L reservoir
                            -Resin filter
                            -Two ergonomically angled portafilters
                            -Cup tray has cup retaining rail and is easily removeable
                            -Dimensions: 29x41x43 cm
                            -Weight: 18kg

                            Notes:  The case on this machine has been built so that it has smoothed edges.  The stock double basket is quite large.  Unfortunately, we couldnt talk Maver out of including the standard crappy plastic tamper  :P



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                            • #15
                              Re: Info/Reviews of Espresso machines. NO DISCUSSIONS

                              Machine Name: La Marzocco GS/3
                              Indicative Price Range: circa $7.2k

                              Features:
                              -1.5L Stainless Steel Brew Boiler
                              -Saturated Group Head
                              -Preheated Brew Water
                              -3.5L Stainless Steel Steam Boiler
                              -3.5L Water Reservoir
                              -DxWxH = 53cm x 40cm x 35.5cm
                              -PID Temperature Control (and other digital niftyness)
                              -"Cool Touch" Stainless Steel Hot Water and Steam Wands
                              -Internal Rotary Pump
                              -Paddle Group (Manual Preinfusion Control) Optional Retrofit In Future

                              Notes:

                              "La Marzoccos GS/3 dramatically resets standards for performance among home and light commercial categories."

                              Lets get some basics out of the way.  No, we havent used one.  No, we dont have one in stock.  No, we havent even seen one.  However, the rock-solid performance of the La Marzocco line is reason enough to put our faith into this particular machine.  GS/3 users will have not only the best home machine, but perhaps the best machine full stop, at their disposal.

                              La Marzocco are a relatively small manufacturer.  The GS/3 production line is backed up with pre-orders for quite some time.  If anyone wants one, it is probably a good idea to order sooner rather than later.

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