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  • Skamp
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    Originally posted by njones7 link=1166644274/45#51 date=1168084264
    Hello Skamp - at the risk of prodding the ants in the nest further - Im with you.  I am a recent purchaser of the Nespresso and am curious which blends you favour?

    I like the Arpeggio and mostly the Ristretto blends. They are the strongest of the blends, all the others are really only for drinking shots, not good for milk drinks.

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  • Viviane
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    I used the Nespresso system until last September.  It was also a Krups, and broke down after 11 months, though I have to say that Nespresso replaced it in 2 working days.  A lot less messy than the Silvia and EM480 grinder I have now.  I liked the coffee for a long time, though in the end I couldnt tell the difference between the blends.  The steaming function was also adequate.  

    So - a lot cleaner, good coffee and definitely easier to use.  Would I go back to it?  Not a chance.  Im much happier with Silvia - she can be fiddly, but her coffee is much more satisfying to me.  The Nespresso is now at my sisters - she doesnt really have time or interest in mucking about with a regular machine, so its ideal for her.  And I dont have to drink instant at her place any more. Im happy and so is my sister.  Horses for courses.  

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  • njones7
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    Hello Skamp - at the risk of prodding the ants in the nest further - Im with you. I am a recent purchaser of the Nespresso and am curious which blends you favour?

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  • A_M
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    Originally posted by Andy Freeman link=1166644274/45#49 date=1167743459
    Nah, don’t give-up Skamp.

    I have just caught-up with this thread and can see that you might have stuck the stick into the ant nest.

    Please everyone take a breath... count to ten and then be the nice, supportive information filled members that we all know and love.


    < SNIP>

    So the punchline is, even if you are a snob, there are certain places in your life that you may have to bend the needle on the "acceptability meter" to suit.

    Most of all... enjoy your coffee!

    I am sure that some of the statements re. pros / cons may invite further disscussions, however I fully agree with your final statement / punchlime.

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  • andy
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    Nah, don’t give-up Skamp.

    I have just caught-up with this thread and can see that you might have stuck the stick into the ant nest.

    Please everyone take a breath... count to ten and then be the nice, supportive information filled members that we all know and love.


    I have had pod coffee a couple of times at customer sites and found it way better than the "old tin of powder" that some customers have tried to offer.

    My word association for pod coffee is: neat, stale, wasteful, expensive, and clean. Sadly the negative words outweigh the positive words (4:1 ratio) so Ill never buy one.

    Slightly off-topic but already touched in this thread was Super Auto machines. I bought a second-hand one for work from a CoffeeSnob member more than 12 months ago and it continues to produce very good coffee when its full of home roasted beans. In a small workgroup of people it makes close to 20 shots a day and we have only has to replace a couple of small parts in the last 5000-6000 shots so the reliabilty has been fantastic.

    My word association for superauto is: neat, easy, clean, idiot-proof and reasonable shots. (1:4 negative to positive ratio)

    To qualify the above, I drink only black (short, medium and long depending on mood) with fresh roasted beans and the superauto is set to its finest grind with the maximum amount of coffee per shot (and tweaked a little more).

    We used to have a semi-auto and grinder at work but the grubby-buggers that I work with made such a mess and the boss used to frown at the length of time that was spent making the coffee. The superauto is perfect for getting good coffee into a work place and as long as you encourage people to drink black coffee (I have converted nearly everyone to black) then its fairly easy to keep clean too. Our one remaining white coffee drinker makes a short black then adds hot water and a splash of milk then microwaves it "best coffee he has ever had" according to him.

    ...but for home where I have more control over the mess and how the machine is used I wouldn’t want anything but a semi-auto machine and a grinder. We make lots of milk based drinks for visitors and double-shorts for me and Im more than happy with our current setup.

    So the punchline is, even if you are a snob, there are certain places in your life that you may have to bend the needle on the "acceptability meter" to suit.

    Most of all... enjoy your coffee!


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  • Skamp
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    Bugger me. I give up.

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  • Thundergod
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    Originally posted by Skamp link=1166644274/30#43 date=1167720983
    You seem to be a nasty bunch of people in this forum.
    I can be. Then again it might just be the auditor in me.

    Originally posted by Skamp link=1166644274/30#43 date=1167720983
    And what I meant about a reference point is that you can go insane trying to compare everything to your reference point.
    Not if you know what youre doing.  

    Originally posted by Skamp link=1166644274/30#43 date=1167720983
    I accept things for what they are, not trying to compare it to something else.
    Originally posted by Skamp link=1166644274/30#43 date=1167720983
    Instsant coffee is what it is, instant coffee. It has its own taste and youll either love it or hate it.
    These two statements agree with each other...

    Originally posted by Skamp link=1166644274/30#43 date=1167720983
    I like good coffee as much  you guys do,
    ...but this one says you have "compared" and rated some coffee as "good".

    Originally posted by Skamp link=1166644274/30#43 date=1167720983
    i also like the so called"bad" coffee as well.
    Another "comparison".

    Originally posted by Skamp link=1166644274/30#43 date=1167720983
    thats if you can call it bad coffe, its just different.
    An each way bet.

    Originally posted by Skamp link=1166644274/30#43 date=1167720983
    There are times when I just want to get off the couch, go over to the nespresso machine and make a coffee without worrying about the technique of making coffee, and the mess of it, and i still get what "I" consider a good cup of coffee.
    But if you
    Originally posted by Skamp link=1166644274/30#43 date=1167720983
    accept things for what they are, not trying to compare it to something else.
    , then why bother? Just have an instant. Sell the Nespresso and 6900 and either have a lot of money to buy Moconna with or put it towards that Expobar and should I say it? Drink "good" coffee from then on.



    Overall Skamp I really cant tell where you are coming from because you contradict yourself so much.
    If you enjoy all those different forms of coffee in their own right (despite you rating some as good and others as bad) then thats OK.
    And as you are saving for your Expobar I suggest its because you do aspire to drink better coffee.

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  • Skamp
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    If you want some pods to see for yourself, I could send you some.

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  • luca
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    Hi Skamp,

    I have to say that I agree with one thing that youre saying and thats that at the end of the day, all that matters is that you have a cup of coffee that you enjoy in front of you and it doesnt matter whether it comes out of a tin or a machine setup that you have had to mortgage your house for. Actually, the thing that always amuses me is people obsessing about temperature to tenths of a degree and completely ignoring the fact that their coffee actually tastes bad.

    As you have found out, specialty coffee can be quite rewarding if you take the time and effort to cultivate your palate and barista skills. I love the fact that I learn new things all the time and I have really enjoyed the relationships with customers that have grown from "could you make the milk a bit hotter" to "have you guys dropped out the ethiopian harrar in that blend" over time. I think that many of us here step into a role of putting people on a path to explore the possibilities and the nespresso system is pretty repugnant to that because the possibilities are very closed. At least with a superauto you can try different blends. (And, for the record, I have to concede that pod systems are very clean and probably more reliable than superautos. They are probably a good solution for offices, where people want a mediocre cup quickly in order to keep their employees at their desks. I guess that Im fortunate that my "office" has always had a La Marzocco or similar five steps away ;P)

    To add a "nasty" edge to my post, Ive got to say that I find it pretty amusing that someone can log into a site called "coffeesnobs" and then be surprised that people have knee-jerk reactions to Nespresso! It would be interesting to actually cut one of the pods open and have a look at whats there; I remember someone telling me a while ago that Nespresso is instant. That might help to explain the price ...

    In any case, whatever your point of view, I wish you a satisfying cup.

    Luca

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  • lsd
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    We switched from a Nespresso machine at the office to a Saeco super-auto, and while the output is still pretty awful compared to my (fairly low-end) home setup, its definitely better than the Nespresso. I think super-autos have their place -- in a small office environment theyre probably the only practical way youre ever going to get anything remotely resembling espresso, and considering the crimes against coffee that some guys at the office commit with the super-auto (like running 200ml through a shot, and topping it off with boiled milk), I shudder to think what theyd manage with a semi-auto and grinder setup.

    The problem with a super-auto at home is that if you care even a little about the quality of what youre drinking (and if you hang around here, you will soon enough!), youll out-grow it very quickly. A semi-auto and grinder is definitely more work, but it quickly becomes second nature, and as you ride that learning curve you very quickly surpass the plateau youd hit using a super-auto. Im finding thats one of the real joys of coffee -- its not just an end product, but a never ending cycle of learning and experimentation, where theres always something new to try.

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  • Skamp
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    You seem to be a nasty bunch of people in this forum. I just tried to be helpful to the thread starter giving him an option to buying a fully automatic machine, but instead I get accused of trolling and spamming. I like Nespresso coffee, I like "Snob" style coffee as well. I really dont know what you problem is.
    I went to cosmorex to get a taste of a properly done espresso to get some sort of starting point so I can get my cappucinos to taste the way they should be tasting, and the shot they made me there tasted terrible to me. But that wasnt because it was a bad shot, it was because I loath black coffee. So just because that shot to me was bad tasting, by your snobs logic, it must be bad coffee. So in saying that, you opinion on nespresso is the same as mine from the cosmorex shot.
    If I was purly a shot drinker, I might agree with your opinions on nespresso, but some of the capuccinos i have made with the nespresso system have been the best Taisting Coffee drinks I have tasted, way better than any thing I have made with my EM6900, and I can pull a decent shot on it.

    And what I meant about a reference point is that you can go insane trying to compare everything to your reference point. I accept things for what they are, not trying to compare it to something else. Instsant coffee is what it is, instant coffee. It has its own taste and youll either love it or hate it. I like good coffee as much  you guys do, but i also like the so called"bad" coffee as well. thats if you can call it bad coffe, its just different.

    There are times when I just want to get off the couch, go over to the nespresso machine and make a coffee without worrying about the technique of making coffee, and the mess of it, and i still get what "I" consider a good cup of coffee.

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  • TC
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    Excellent Thundergod...I think its high time for a little auditing on this thread! ;D

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  • Thundergod
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    Originally posted by Skamp link=1166644274/30#30 date=1167646902
    Wrong again mate, I own a PA hire business, im not in sales.
    And if you read my post again I did mention that Nespresso coffe is expensive to buy!!

    And how many times have you people mentioned in this forum that "taste" is subjective.
    I like fresh ground coffe, I like instatnt coffee, I like Nespresso coffee, I like those instant lattes in a packet "just add hot water" coffees.
    I like coffe in all its forms, so I guess Im just not a Snob. Poor me hey!!

    And you seem to have missed my point. The Nespresso system WILL make a better cup of coffee than an all in one automatic machine.

    I appreciate things for what they are, you cant compare every product to a certain reference point.

    The Nespresso system for what it is, is a great comcept for people who want "decent" coffe at a very high convinience. The majority of people who buy Nespresso machines are corporate business people with plenty of money. They want is good and quick, and no mess.

    And all that being said, I will still be buying an Expobar sometime this year, and still be enjoying my "other" system.
    Skamp you said "you cant compare every product to a certain reference point".
    I have to disagree. That IS how you compare.

    You also said you like coffee in all its forms yet also said "The Nespresso system for what it is, is a great comcept for people who want "decent" coffe at a very high convinience."

    So would you please list, in order, your coffee forms preferences from lowest to highest and let me know where "decent" kicks in?

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  • TC
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    Originally posted by Skamp link=1166644274/30#39 date=1167715013
    I dont care what peoples opinions of nespresso are, but its considerably better than intant.......
    .... :-?

    Agreed- and I think that youd find instant drinking CSers are an extremely rare breed...if not extinct...Just because its better doesnt mean its good

    That statement sorta makes me wonder what youre posting here for if you dont want opinions? Perhaps youre just an aspiring troll then??

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  • Skamp
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    I dont care what peoples opinions of nespresso are, but its considerably better than instant.......

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