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    Hi, I used to have moka pot for years, and now, I think its time to buy myself a machine and a grinder, and get myself a "REAL" coffee...
    But due to limited budget, Probably $900 is max. that i can affort....(still a student...ai...)

    Used to aim at Gaggia classic, but its like everyone said Silvia is a lot better.
    Even I tried to chat with the local(melbourne) baristas and coffeeshop staffs, they said "I would save money for a silvia, but well, you gonna have a good grinder with it, Ill say rocky/Mazzer/Macap"....

    Of course I know it would be good....

    Try to get myself a "budget" item in ebay.... didnt realize thats quite a lot of competitions...
    The price is near the "buy now" price.... doesnt relly help...

    Im a milk-based drinker, so I thought it would be better to get a silvia over classics plastic steam ward and small boiler...

    And tried to pair with a good grinder... But after Silvia, i only got $200 left...

    So, what would you guys think I should do?
    Im really confused, and of course, want a coffee so badly....

    Thanks for any help....

  • #2
    Re: Another newbie needs help.

    Welcome to Coffee Snobs.

    Message some of the sponsors (the list is on the left of the page).

    They will give you the best prices and after sales service and advice.

    With your budget you are probably going to need an Iberital grinder at around $300 then you can aim for the Silvia.

    Might have to scrape up another $100 depending on how good a deal you can do.

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    • #3
      Re: Another newbie needs help.

      mrnaive,

      Hi and welcome to CoffeeSnobs....

      Please dont buy those el cheapo "bargain" machines from Evilbay..... they will cause you much heartbreak.... and if really, really lucky you might get an alright coffee out of one - but in a very short time you will realise it was a waste of money... If something goes wrong - and that is quite likely- you will have zero support.... and probably no warranty.

      As Thundergod said above.... contact the site sponsors or check out the "for sale" area here on the board .... often members sell genuine "pre loved" equipment at a good price.

      And aim for a good grinder first.... without an espresso grinder even the most expensive machine will only produce mediocre coffee.....

      If you need to choose a good grinder and a Gaggia Classic so that it fits within the budget that would be far better option than a Silvia and a cheap and nasty grinder.

      Good luck with your journey into coffee.

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      • #4
        Re: Another newbie needs help.

        Hi Mrnaive

        Have a look at this thread - the same question was asked by a newcomer a few days ago.

        http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1177391347/11#11

        I am very happy with my Iberital and they are around the $300 mark (or less if you are lucky).

        Hope this helps

        cheers

        jeff (Wingnut)

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        • #5
          Re: Another newbie needs help.

          Thanks for the opinions

          It seems like people quite ok with Iberital (Can I call it a decent grinder???). But will it last long?
          I mean, do you have to grab a better one in a short time as your skills grow?
          Or may be I should leave it later and save more money for a better one, such as rocky?
          But does it make a big difference?

          ---JavaB,
          Im pretty new to the world of coffee machine....
          Can I ask if the ebay sell the brand new machine for a cheaper price with warrenty,
          is it still ok to buy?
          It seems to be reluctant to do, but in a tiny budget, I just got so frustrated....

          Thanks again!

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          • #6
            Re: Another newbie needs help.

            Originally posted by mrnaive link=1177662677/0#4 date=1177684415

            ---JavaB,
            Im pretty new to the world of coffee machine....
            Can I ask if the ebay sell the brand new machine for a cheaper price with warrenty,
            is it still ok to buy?
            It seems to be reluctant to do, but in a tiny budget, I just got so frustrated....

            Thanks again!
            mrnaive

            Personally I wouldnt - why? Have you ever bought items overseas with an "international warranty", brought it back to Australia, it fails so you try to claim against the warranty only to be told its not valid in Australia? This is not uncommon.

            So how good is the warranty from these sellers - well you find out when you claim.... And if something goes wrong will you be able to go back to the seller? Nope!!

            Many people have bought electrical items from discount stores (and Im talking the Internet based ones - not the large retail stores) at what appears to be a really good price.... and found the item to be faulty..... and had one hell of a fight to get a refund or exchange.... they dont want to know - and many of these use Evilbay to sell their items.

            A lot of the value in the price paid for a coffee machine is support.... that helping hand when something goes wrong (and it does from time to time). If you buy from a large retail organisation they generally cant help but the manufacturer might provide a high level of customer support ( e.g. Sunbeam).... If you buy from a small Internet based dealer, the dealer cant / wont help and I doubt the manufacturer will either..... so the bargain is no longer a bargain.....

            Buy from a specialist dealer (like the site sponsors).... and you will get a machine which is tested and adjusted prior to sale, supported with advice if and when needed.... and a dealer who will still be around in years to come.... sure the price wont be such a bargain.... but the goods will be 100% genuine, in top condition and you get support.

            Yes, you can save a few dollars buying on Evilbay ---- and you might even be lucky.... it is really your choice if you wish to gamble just to save a few dollars (and the more you save, the bigger the risk....)

            I wouldnt do it - but I dont expect to win a lottery when I buy a ticket either.

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            • #7
              Re: Another newbie needs help.

              Thanks JavaB, you replied real fast... much appreciated.
              Ok, then Ill stay away from the "evilbay"... and try to find something in store...
              Very hard decision to make.... May be all of the "coffeesnobs" have been through this many times....

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              • #8
                Re: Another newbie needs help.

                Yep...I have. But I knew once I had done all my reasearch I needed an awesome grinder and a decent machine. I found myself an awesome grinder in the form of a La Cimbali Cadet (commercial grinder) and a Rancilio Silvia....saved I did and it was worth every penny. Im a university student too and Im currently on my 2nd totally different set up.

                Heres a photo of my very first set up a year ago. Picked up the Silvia for $500 from Sydney. My cousin then shipped it to Melbourne for me.


                Heres a photo of my current set up.


                And the good ol French Press.


                My suggestion to you is, get an awesome grinder first. Mazzer, Macap...something with stepless adjustment....commercial build quality. And use the French Press while you save up for the Silvia. $400 for an awesome grinder..$500 for a used Silvia is about average...still within you $900 price range.

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                • #9
                  Re: Another newbie needs help.

                  Originally posted by Wushoes link=1177662677/0#7 date=1177688668
                  Yep...I have. But I knew once I had done all my reasearch I needed an awesome grinder and a decent machine. I found myself an awesome grinder in the form of a La Cimbali Cadet (commercial grinder) and a Rancilio Silvia....saved I did and it was worth every penny. Im a university student too and Im currently on my 2nd totally different set up.
                  Wushoes,

                  You bought both these items (the La Cimbali Cadet and Miss Silvia) second hand from private sellers?

                  I also bought my La Cimbali Jnr from a private seller - a cafe here in Perth - and I could view the item before bidding......

                  I think there is less risk with second hand items as long as the seller seems genuine and the item is a quality one..... but of course no warranty or support.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Another newbie needs help.

                    Originally posted by JavaB link=1177662677/0#8 date=1177689112
                    Wushoes,

                    You bought both these items (the La Cimbali Cadet and Miss Silvia) second hand from private sellers?

                    I also bought my La Cimbali Jnr from a private seller - a cafe here in Perth - and I could view the item before bidding......

                    I think there is less risk with second hand items as long as the seller seems genuine and the item is a quality one..... but of course no warranty or support.
                    Yup...Silvia from CS forum and Cimbali was gratis.... Both have now found new homes to CS members. A very good point JavaB. Buy pre-loved machines...from this forum theres less of chance youd pick up a lemon. If you can inspect...even better. When I got my machine from a CS member in Sydney, I just put faith in him that the machine was is good working order. Told my little cousin in Sydney who was purchasing on my behalf to just visually inspect the machine...then pack it and send it to Melbourne.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Another newbie needs help.

                      Originally posted by Wushoes link=1177662677/0#9 date=1177689343

                      and Cimbali was gratis....
                      You.... you..... lucky B.......

                      mrnaive

                      It might be worth your while checking the "for sale" section of this board. There are often quality "pre loved" items for sale. That way you can still get some quality units from a trusted seller and save some dollars as well.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Another newbie needs help.

                        wow, your new grinder is pretty...

                        em, ok... for $400, Mazzer and Macap wouldnt be possible (although i would love to),
                        it seems what I can get......... again is Rocky? (its like a world of rockies....)

                        Really, is there other good choice within $500???

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                        • #13
                          Re: Another newbie needs help.

                          Rocky is a good grinder with very small steps. Easy to switch from plunger to espresso grind.

                          The Iberital Challenge is a capable (espresso only) grinder and that sells for around $300....

                          It is stepless, so you can get very fine adjustment of the grind as the beans age - but if you want to go from plunger coffee to espresso it takes about 15 turns of the adjustment knob.

                          It is the cheapest quality espresso grinder (not in the same league as the Mazzer or the Macap of course)..... many members use it and are very happy with the results...

                          But again, always get the best grinder you can afford.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Another newbie needs help.

                            Right, decision has been made....
                            For another hundred dollars, I think Ill get Rocky and join the million users....
                            Just because its flat burr and more friendly to adjust...
                            (i use moka pot and french press too...especially when climbing outdoor! Coffees all around!)

                            The only question is doser/doserless???
                            It seems to be fun to have a doser though... but the coffee that retained....how to do with them?
                            Just toss it away?

                            I heard people said the doserless one generate static charges, which makes the coffee stick to the chute....
                            Would that be a propblem?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Another newbie needs help.

                              Opps.... I just saw a Lelit Combi PL042 on the web,

                              Heres the detail:
                              220/240v @ 50Hz
                              1200 Watt Copper Element
                              300ml Brass Boiler
                              3-Way Solenoid Valve
                              Pump Pressure 12 -15 bar
                              Water Tank Capacity 3.0 l
                              Dimensions 340 x 310 x 260 mm
                              Weight 10.0 kg
                              Body 100% polished Stainless Steel
                              Brass boiler, 57mm portafilter with a built-in Lux burr grinder.. definitely the bargain of the bunch!

                              Any comment for that???
                              Another dilema....

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