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  • #16
    Re: Setting up coffee carts

    thanks Acog

    Ive done the maths, had some very lengthy chats with Craig from 9Bar (Ithe guy is an absolute legend) and have chatted with my electrician and stainless engineer.

    The biggest hurdle with any trailer or van setup will be that everything electrical needs to be double poled which is no biggie, just more expensive.

    A decent second hand van goes for around 4k, reco machine and grinder is 3k, electrical fitout including RCD is around $600, hot water service is $400 new, stainless bench fitout is $400, associated bits and bobs around another $1500. Im lucky enough that the bulk of the work I can do myself apart from the stainless folding and the electrics, for which I have tradie mates.

    The 65si generator is the best on the market, sits around 6.5k and would be the next logical step.

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    • #17
      Re: Setting up coffee carts

      Originally posted by 232B222C3B3B3C204E0 link=1270821026/12#12 date=1270988311
      Just wondering - have any of you seen a cart setup as I am curious to know how you get them to stay-put in the trailer, whether you need to take the machine off during transport etc.
      Even with an electric winch, loading the whole thing on to a trailer is going to be work enough, youd want something that doesnt need removing from the cart beforehand.

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      • #18
        Re: Setting up coffee carts

        Originally posted by 6B69656D6D6364790A0 link=1270821026/13#13 date=1270989231
        MVU sell theirs for around 8.5k
        There big one comes in at $18k without the trailer

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        • #19
          Re: Setting up coffee carts

          Originally posted by 54535758505A4F5F5851360 link=1270821026/17#17 date=1271036332
          There big one comes in at $18k without the trailer

          Holy Cow Batman!

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          • #20
            Re: Setting up coffee carts

            so...if thought is rights, i dont need an inverter?

            Is there a need to a 6.5kva gen set? A 2 group and grinder, with one leg off the boiler and a couple bar fidges for milk should run off a 5kva?

            There s a huge price drop from the 65si down to the 5kva honda silent.

            Does it need t be inverter? Everything in the van (or cart) will be 240v...

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            • #21
              Re: Setting up coffee carts

              The inverter if your going generator or mains power is to keep the fridges going while going to and from the gig in most cases or maybe lighting while setting up etc. 500W should cruise in two small fridges but check first. When your set up and on mains/gen the fridges then go onto that source.

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              • #22
                Re: Setting up coffee carts

                If you are setting your van up on second hand gear then you will run into trouble as old gear always comes with issues IMHO. Dont forget you will probably have to get the van lined with an "easily cleaned material" (1-2k), and I would would increase your "bits and bobs" by quite a bit as there are all these annoying little things (fire extinguishers for a start) that pop up.

                When I am talking about carts I am talking about the easily moved ones for markets and conferences not the ones that are semi permanent.

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                • #23
                  Re: Setting up coffee carts

                  Thanks Guys

                  Craig at 9Bar has a couple nice machines I can choose from. There is a Wega compact, 3 months old for around 4.5k, or a rancilio 2grp for a little over 3k all recod.

                  This easily cleaned material that you speak of - what is it, and where???

                  The next thing I need to do is find out from the councils the requirements that will keep them happy.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Setting up coffee carts

                    I think you will find more and more the Melbourne City guidlines getting used by all councils as the defacto standard in Victoria at least. http://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/ente...Guidelines.pdf What this means is that once you go beyond just doing coffee and basic prepacked food you need a second sink plus some other stuff.

                    Easily washable means impervious to water or product so no exposed untreated  timber no nooks and crannies for bugs etc. So you will find a lot of Stainless Steel (304 grade) and in some cases fiberglass inserts in Van setups.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Setting up coffee carts

                      Originally posted by 6F676E607777706C020 link=1270821026/22#22 date=1271051475
                      This easily cleaned material that you speak of - what is it, and where???
                      That is up to the interpretation of the person doing the inspection. Get friendly with your council to find out what they will and wont allow.

                      As for the 2nd hand gear Im not really talking about the coffee machine, they can be put in and out easily. It is the van, if there is any issues you are off the road and not making money, but only you know what level of risk you are prepared to take with these sort of issues.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Setting up coffee carts

                        thanks for that, just printed it and will read it during my evening latte

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                        • #27
                          Re: Setting up coffee carts

                          Originally posted by 717F727D6A7C7D130 link=1270821026/24#24 date=1271052503
                          As for the 2nd hand gear Im not really talking about the coffee machine, they can be put in and out easily. It is the van, if there is any issues you are off the road and not making money, but only you know what level of risk you are prepared to take with these sort of issues.
                          thanks moto - i am acutely aware of these risks and have factored them into my business plan. There is some other options I am looking at, but figured this open discussion was an appropriate place to start.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Setting up coffee carts

                            Originally posted by 585059574040475B350 link=1270821026/26#26 date=1271053052
                            thanks moto - i am acutely aware of these risks and have factored them into my business plan.  There is some other options I am looking at, but figured this open discussion was an appropriate place to start.
                            Excellent to hear, the quote I lived by when starting my business is that it will cost twice as much and take twice as long as you think, which worked out about right too.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Setting up coffee carts

                              Originally posted by 434D404F584E4F210 link=1270821026/24#24 date=1271052503
                              ....., if there is any issues you are off the road and not making money,
                              Speaking of similar things Moto do you leave the machine on top of your Cart when you are using it or do you truck it around seperately then lift it on? Also looking at my Izzo if it goes mobile what bits can shake loose, Pressurestats drain and warmer trays etc. Any special treatment such as rubber mounts etc?

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                              • #30
                                Re: Setting up coffee carts

                                Nope just bolted on, but there isnt too much jarring as the trailer is sprung correctly for the weight so the suspension works well. Wouldnt hurt to put in some rubber mounts though.

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