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Originally posted by Mal link=1164865682/15#29 date=1164962376
Thanks JB..... Sounds like a very worthwhile addition to the filter system Im putting in. Are they a very bulky item, i.e. would I be able to install it under the sink?
Mal.
Yep... dimensions are 420mm high (includes the knob at the top which is removed for recharging - so leave more room at the top) by 270mm deep (again including the knob which is used for flushing after recharge etc) by 200 mm wide.
If you installed it under the sink you could connect it to supply water for drinking, cooking etc.. They are recharged every month in the "commercial use" world so can pass quite a bit of water before needing a recharge.
Originally posted by JavaB link=1164865682/15#27 date=1164926694
Mine came with my machine and even though the machine was 17 years old- and used heavily in a hard water area- the interior of the boiler was very clean.
Hmmm,
Thanks JB..... Sounds like a very worthwhile addition to the filter system Im putting in. Are they a very bulky item, i.e. would I be able to install it under the sink?
Originally posted by Greg Pullman link=1164865682/15#26 date=1164924641
Originally posted by Thundergod link=1164865682/15#18 date=1164891908
Whats the recommended changing schedule.
I use Britad water.
If your filters are the same style as mine theyre supposed to be good for 120-150 litres, or 6-8 weeks they say, but that obviously depends on consumption.
Thanks Greg.
Now to do the math on litres consumed as its been about 12 weeks.
Originally posted by Mal link=1164865682/15#25 date=1164910801
Hey JB,
Just as a matter of interest, what could one expect to pay for a "rechargeable" water softener of the type you are referring to, limited for use with the espresso machine?
Mal.
Mal,
FC sells new softeners of both types, as do most professional coffee machine dealers. Mine came with my machine and even though the machine was 17 years old- and used heavily in a hard water area- the interior of the boiler was very clean.
You can also get them second hand from those same commercial machine dealers (I know where there are quite a few here in Perth - hopefully the firm will be a site sponsor soon - hint, hint!! )
Price, I dont know- but they sure work well and are really cheap and easy to maintain. And tea drinkers really appreciate the far improved taste which softened water provides.
Originally posted by Thundergod link=1164865682/15#18 date=1164891908
Whats the recommended changing schedule.
I use Britad water.
If your filters are the same style as mine theyre supposed to be good for 120-150 litres, or 6-8 weeks they say, but that obviously depends on consumption.
Just as a matter of interest, what could one expect to pay for a "rechargeable" water softener of the type you are referring to, limited for use with the espresso machine?
Originally posted by ozscott link=1164865682/15#23 date=1164896665
Doesnt running the proper cleaning solution through once a month for a home machine to the trick - I do that and use the backflush tabs in the filter basket, blind.
Yep, the proper cleaning solution (which is normally dilute citric acid - with a price markup ) - should remove any scale deposit as long as the recommended proceedure is followed....
But its still worth replacing the filter at the recommended interval - its been put there for a reason - a bit of insurance is worth it!
Doesnt running the proper cleaning solution through once a month for a home machine to the trick - I do that and use the backflush tabs in the filter basket, blind.
It "reduces" the white deposit when water is boiled but they dont recommend it for use in steam irons .....
I noticed when I was using Brita water in a stainless steel kettle (boiled a couple of times a day) I had a "noticeable" deposit on the walls of the kettle within a month - gave it the citric acid treatment every month... and all was good again.
Perth water (like a lot in Australia) is on the wrong end of the hardness scale.
FYI It took over 10 years of using straight city tap water (on the softer side of the hardness scale) in a low volume commercial setting to build up that much scale.
I dont know what it would be for this filter...it is generally quoted as so many litres of water passing through.
It should be stated in the manual, if not Id ring Sunbeam and find their recommendation....
You can afford to have a mm or two of scale inside a 20cm boiler or even a 7cm one ---- but inside a tube of only a few mm diameter---- not good (initially it will reduce the heating and the flow of water or steam- eventually block totally).
Brita water helps a bit but mainly removes chlorine, heavy metals, and other nasties.... isnt all that effective at removing calcium from what Ive read (neither are the undersink cartridge filters)
Originally posted by ozscott link=1164865682/15#16 date=1164889791
My EM6900 has a calcium filiter built into the water tank...maybee overkill given the stainless steel lined thermos, but I like overkill.
Cheers
Nope , definately not overkill.... you saw what happened to Javas boiler- and that is stainless steel!!!
Scale will build up on any surface - including glass.
Remember to change the filter - they dont last long and if you dont your thermoblock can look like the inside of Javas boiler - but its effect will be worse far faster (blocked themo tubes!!)
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