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  • #16
    Re: Should i buy a lever or PID my Silvia??

    Originally posted by 043831293C5D0 link=1338355533/12#12 date=1338449865
    Originally posted by 515F565D570601330 link=1338355533/11#11 date=1338445507
    PID on Silvia is a proven mod
    Proven by whom? learning to use the machine will give all of the benefits of this unnecessary modification.
    Proven by many.

    Why would anyone want to "learn to use" ..or tolerate... a machine with a 30 deg C fluctuation in brew temperature, when it can be corrected easily and cheaply ??

    I find it odd that some knowledgeable CSs members describe the essential adjustments to the thermo syphon circuits on high end HX machines in order to correct the group temp and reduce the need for "cooling flushes" ... yet some of those same posters seem happy to ignor a much worse problem on the silvia. ??

    Temperature surfing, timing the heater thermostat cycle, cooling flushes, etc etc ...were a necessary skill for Silvia users before the availability of decent temperature control systems ( electronic thermostats and PIDs )

    I dislike unnecessary complicated equipment as much as anyone, but if i have something to control temperature , i expect it to function as required,..not +- 10 deg or more.

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    • #17
      Re: Should i buy a lever or PID my Silvia??

      Originally posted by 49474E454F1E192B0 link=1338355533/17#17 date=1338454455
      Proven by many.
      Show me the proof! I was a happy owner of a Silvia for 10 years and like most other owners never saw the need to PID it.

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      • #18
        Re: Should i buy a lever or PID my Silvia??

        Agreed Jon.

        I had an Audrey and 2 Silvias and didnt need to PID them either. Once you learn the machine its all pretty easy.

        For those who want to spend the money, sure thing. It will save waiting for the machine to stop heating and a little water of a cooling flush. Nevertheless, the biggest learning curve for new owners is all the other stuff- grind, dose, tamp, milk etc.

        So, whilst a PID will save a cooling flush, its easy to let the machine come to top of temp, flush and then shoot.

        Do it well and you have great coffee regardless.

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        • #19
          Re: Should i buy a lever or PID my Silvia??

          Just get a lever, you will never look back! There was a nice Caravel on the sale sub-forum which was well under your budget.

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          • #20
            Re: Should i buy a lever or PID my Silvia??

            Originally posted by 774B425A4F2E0 link=1338355533/18#18 date=1338455342
            .. I was a happy owner of a Silvia for 10 years and like most other owners never saw the need to PID it.
            Originally posted by 1C435B4D464D4148484B4B434F402E0 link=1338355533/19#19 date=1338457865
            ....I had an Audrey and 2 Silvias and didnt need to PID them either. .
              So , neither of you have owned a PIDd Silvia ! ??

            That puts your comments re the  benefits into perspective then !

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            • #21
              Re: Should i buy a lever or PID my Silvia??

              Lets keep it civil folks.


              Java "Dont make me pull the car over!" phile
              Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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              • #22
                Re: Should i buy a lever or PID my Silvia??

                Originally posted by 152920382D4C0 link=1338355533/16#16 date=1338455342
                Show me the proof! I was a happy owner of a Silvia for 10 years and like most other owners never saw the need to PID it.
                Given that so many manufacturers of machines are including PIDs and they are a heavily advertised feature Im not sure why anyone is arguing a PID is a bad thing as a retrofit to a Silvia?

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                • #23
                  Re: Should i buy a lever or PID my Silvia??

                  I dont think anyone is saying that a PID is bad David...just not required.

                  My guess is that this comes about due to the fact that PIDs were not so common, and were a fairly expensive addition to the machine. Not the case nowadays as they seem to be used everywhere - I even cook with one!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Should i buy a lever or PID my Silvia??

                    Originally posted by 09282323243E4D0 link=1338355533/22#22 date=1338508892
                    I dont think anyone is saying that a PID is bad David...just not required.
                    Sure. That could apply to a lot of shiny coffee making toys too.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Should i buy a lever or PID my Silvia??

                      Originally posted by 6742554A4774121A1513230 link=1338355533/23#23 date=1338509650
                      Originally posted by 09282323243E4D0 link=1338355533/22#22 date=1338508892
                      I dont think anyone is saying that a PID is bad David...just not required.
                      Sure. That could apply to a lot of shiny coffee making toys too.
                      I suppose so David though havent noticed too many modifcations made to other shiny things stuck on the outside of the machine, or costing as much as the original PIDs that were installed on a Silvia. Did you miss the rest of my comment?

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                      • #26
                        Re: Should i buy a lever or PID my Silvia??

                        I think youre misunderstanding me Dennis. I agree with your comment.

                        There is much I have in my coffee gear that is optional and couldnt be considered essential. Such things make the experience more rewarding though and the PID for the Sylvia while clearly optional would fall in this category no?

                        And of course youre right - PIDs are more common and cheaper today for sure.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Should i buy a lever or PID my Silvia??


                          Originally posted by 4B6E79666B583E36393F0F0 link=1338355533/25#25 date=1338513016
                          I think youre misunderstanding me Dennis. I agree with your comment.
                          Oh, well thats ok then. ;D

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                          • #28
                            Re: Should i buy a lever or PID my Silvia??

                            Originally posted by 74414C4B7F634F46464545200 link=1338355533/14#14 date=1338452998
                            Sounds to me like to Silvia has a plastic collar
                            +1 on this, thats the only real problem I have with the fit-and-finish of the Silvia.

                            Sure its not as pretty as say a Rocket, Izzo, VBM, et al. but its not exactly ugly, especially the price point More importantly though internally its a pretty solid little machine, sure it has shortcomings but then so does every machine, to a greater or lesser degree (I consider absolute perfection unattainable, some of the more pricy units get pretty close though).

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                            • #29
                              Re: Should i buy a lever or PID my Silvia??

                              While I love my Europicola to bits, especially for the price and supreme improvement over my old Saeco. I would recommend you look at a spring lever machine as the little pav is so limited in its ability to make more than 2 shots at a time.
                              Since purchasing it two more people have moved into my house that enjoy coffee and its just not up to the task. I want my commercial to be up at running but thats months off yet .

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                              • #30
                                Re: Should i buy a lever or PID my Silvia??

                                What patric said. The Europiccola is perfect for one or two shots. There is also a steep learning curve. You learn a lot about how bad coffee tastes.

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