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  • #16
    Re: machine suggestions

    Originally posted by 3C272A252C163F202727202C490 link=1341022093/14#14 date=1341381608
    Yes but you havent mentioned the 45 seconds you spent getting the milk into the jug before pulling your first shot.

    With the single boiler you can pull your shot 45 seconds earlier and then get your milk ready while the boiler is heating for steaming. Same time diff
    No. Not same time diff.
    I dont take 45 seconds to pour the milk into the jug.
    Its part of my preparation routine.
    I bring the milk to my machine.
    I grind the coffee whilst getting my cups in place and pour the milk into the jug.
    I dose my group handle, tamp, lock and begin the shot.
    About 5 seconds into this, I am ready to start steaming the milk.
    At around the 30 second mark, I push the lever down to stop the shot. The milk for a double takes a bit more time to complete on my machine. Havent timed it, but I reckon its less than 30 (more) seconds.
    When the milk is done, wipe wand, purge, and pour milk into coffee(s).
    I dont know why you find it so hard to believe that it is ACTUALLY quicker.
    Like I said, I did own a Silvia prior to this. I am comparing my own experiences on the 2 machines.
    The Expobar is faster.

    Brett.

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    • #17
      Re: machine suggestions

      I could try your routine but saving 30 seconds is not my priority.

      Id rather enjoy watching the magic of the syrupy espresso shot from my fresh Di Bella beans rather than steam a milk jug during a shot. So much to look forward to - the countdown to the first stream out of the spout, the rise in the OPV gauge reading and monitoring the flow and quantity. Its a very enjoyable experience.

      Then I can steam at my own pace. Maybe thats why I dont see the difference in timing between a single boiler and heat exchange. SO ultimately it depends on your routine.

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      • #18
        Re: machine suggestions

        Originally posted by 68737E7178426B74737374781D0 link=1341022093/16#16 date=1341387541
        Maybe thats why I dont see the difference in timing between a single boiler and heat exchange. SO ultimately it depends on your routine.
        Race you to three....

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        • #19
          Re: machine suggestions

          Sorry to open a can of worms guys. Was offering some advice from my own experiance.

          I certainly enjoyed myself with my old second Bezzera BZ02. Not sure if I can quote someone but when I was sitting on the fence deciding to purchase the Silvia or the Bezzera. Was told if I was not happy with the quality of the Bezzera I could bring it straight back and exchange for a new Silvia  0.o  To get an offer like that speaks volumes for the quality of a good second hand Hx Machine. Was a steep adjustment from a Breville Ikon to the Bezzera BZ02 but worth every moment. 

          Finding a quality second hand Hx Machine might prove to be tricky but keep your eyes peeled (I was very lucky to find Bezzera). But if you only really make coffee for yourself and not quite ready to plunge into a Hx Machine then a quality single boiler machine will suit your needs.

          Good hunting 

          KennyM

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          • #20
            Re: machine suggestions

            Errm, this discussion seems to have gone astray into boiler versus HX, given that I dont know much about either and its not really something Im that concerned about.
            I think Ill just keep researching...
            Cheers anyway

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            • #21
              Re: machine suggestions

              Its certainly a personal preference.

              Ive had both - a single boiler BZ09 thats similar to the Silvia (but better - OP, contact Chris from Bezzera as he might have one of these for sale in your price point. No stuffing about with temp surfing and a much, much bigger drip tray) and now a BZ07.

              I certainly DID have to prime the boiler because the machine stayed on most of the day for the multiple coffees that would get made. I know someone who did fry their boiler element because they neglected this part of the routine.

              And like the other posters, I prep my milk while the coffee is grinding and the *MASSIVE STEAM VOLUME* of an HX means that the milk is done in about 10-12 seconds. Plenty of time to pour a shot in 25 secs while it does it.

              And since Ive started doing a bit more entertaining recently, the HX is a massive advantage. Hosting a dinner party for eight meant losing about 30 mins prepping coffee on the single boiler. It was just a few minutes per two cups with the HX.

              So it depends on your preferences and your use-case. If you entertain, dont want your shots getting cold and souring (slightly) while waiting for the boiler to come up to steam temp and dont want to worry about potentially destroying your boiler element, then an HX is for you.

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              • #22
                Re: machine suggestions

                Originally posted by 727373727A73160 link=1341022093/19#19 date=1341389128
                I think Ill just keep researching...
                Thats the go deedle,

                Do make the time to perform a CS search on boiler priming. Best to go in with your eyes open.

                Elements and boilers dont come cheaply.

                Chris

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                • #23
                  I'm just going to add my 2c here in this thread.

                  I currently have a Sylvia which is about 20 months old in my family. I've learned to make some very tasty coffees on it and think its a great machine, however if budget allowed (or could be stretched) I would be shooting for either a twin boiler or a HX machine, especially post using one regularly (a group of us at work have a communal BES-900 aka Breville dual boiler) the convenience factor alone of being able to pull a shot and steam, works well for a single coffee, and really steps up when you hit multiple.

                  The second you step it up to making multiple coffee's is where a single boiler for me falls down. The time required to get the boiler back up to temperature to do the milk has me standing around waiting far too much for my liking, and the second you need to think about catering to 6 people (who naturally all drink latte's) well lets just say person #1 will be finished their coffee by the time yours is done. I've now got little ones who ask for baby chino's, hot chocolates and the like - I'd like to the ability to texture milk all day long without interruption on any future machine.

                  For me - I'll be looking to upgrade my machine when the budget allows to make my life easier and save me a few minutes here and there, and it will definitely not be a single boiler machine. If you're going to be texturing a lot of milk, I'd suggest that you might end up feeling the same.

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                  • #24
                    Whatever you do , dont buy a Gaccia baby twin...ive had mine for just on 8 months and its been back to Expressoitalia 3 times already and about to go back for no. 4..It leaks, had the base boiler replaced already and still leaks..

                    Took the top off it today and still water inside...so dangerous around electrics....also it has silicon tubing inside and its not the best carrier of water...and the steamer on these are so weak ..
                    Waiting for it to pack up completely so i can buy a breville or a rancilio.....

                    cheers....mark

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                    • #25
                      Well , got it back and its working ok for now...will see how it goes over the next few months before the warranty runs out...

                      cheers..mark

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                      • #26
                        Hi OP you may want to consider a Oscar. Little bit more than a Silvia but having used both of them I really like the bang for your buck you get with the Oscar. Having taken both apart both machines are excelent inside. With the Silvia I reccomend having a PID it make the user expierence much more enjoyable.

                        Oscar nuova simonelli & Breville Smart Grinder - YouTube

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                        • #27
                          Well..here we are a few months later....and its *** itself again....now it keeps cutting off on power after about 15 minutes being left on...then have to wait 30 minutes before using it again...trouble is now the warranty is out a few weeks ago...Im gonna ditch the thing and buy another one...different brand of course..i wouldnt touch Gaccia again ever with a 10 foot pole...

                          Cheers....mark

                          (Mod Edit - Language)
                          Last edited by Coffee2Di4; 29 November 2012, 06:01 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Hello Mark,

                            Sorry to hear that you have experienced issues and I am sure you are frustrated and then some.

                            I think that if you approach your supplier, you will find that they will look at the circumstances of this failure and whether warranty support should be extended for this machine. A few weeks out is near enough in my opinion.

                            A word of advice though. If you take your experiences to the retailer using similar language to that used in your post, you will probably end up staring as a locked door!

                            Good luck.

                            Chris

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                            • #29
                              Hi ..Final update 6 months on..

                              I found out the bottom steam boiler was leaking and needed repairing....Also the power cut out issue was caused by a faulty circuit board..needed replacing....they wanted $280 to fix it...

                              Coudnt justify that so i kept using it and made sure i used it within 5 minutes of turning it on...lasted for about 4 months then crapped itself completely..

                              Picked up a second hand Gaggia classic for $150 and been using that just for time being ...until i can afford a new rancilio silvia or breville....The technician told me the baby twin is full of plastic parts and very cheaply made

                              Its amazing they can sell these things for $600..

                              cheers..mark

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                              • #30
                                Hey deedle, or any1 wanting a coffee machine good....i got a Breville bes840 in the end...awesome machine and wood recomend it...

                                much better than the gaggia twin that i have turfed! makes a awesome shot and quick to heat up in mornings....

                                cheers....

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