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A good question, I guess I thought "immediately", no drips, no other streams, just a single pour straight away.Originally posted by chokkidog View PostHi rawill
What are your expectations, in terms of seconds, before your pour comes together in a single cone?
What are your actual times?
But now that you have challenged me, I am thinking that is probably impossible.
This morning there were about 3 or 4 drips, then a single cone.
Even at the longest, (without having timed it) I am thinking about a second or two before it becomes a single cone, unless of course I really mess up the grind and tamping, which can happen sometimes if I have old beans.
The beans last a LOT LONGER with a 7gm VST basket.
I keep them in an airtight can when I have opened the bag, and only put in a few at a time into the EM480 grinder.
AND, I just checked to see how many grams are going in to my 7g VST basket.
This morning it must have been about 5, I just dosed it again and it was 6, and it was filled up more than when I did it for my morning coffee.
Robin
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Just wanted to throw in a vote for "harder to remove (and messier, IME)". I need to give a decent bash to get it free first-time and frequently need a follow-up as it doesn't necessarily knock ou in one piece/layer.Originally posted by TampIt View Post2) You mentioned the puck being hard to remove. That suggests you have the ridged VST's*. A flick of the wrist is enough to send the puck flying out of any ridgeless VST I have encountered, irrespective of roast / grind / dose / tamp / basket size (I have two complete VST sets and have used a few dozen other ones).
Dead even extraction, close to a piston-fit tamper, average tamp weight, light polish.
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What do you mean by that?Originally posted by rawill View PostEven at the longest, (without having timed it) I am thinking about a second or two before it becomes a single cone, unless of course I really mess up the grind and tamping, which can happen sometimes if I have old beans.
The beans last a LOT LONGER with a 7gm VST basket.
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I find the ridge/ridge-less makes no difference in how hard it is to get the puck out cleanly. For me, it depends on dose. If I'm dosing lower, the puck is sloppier and usually doesn't come out in one hit. I don't worry about what the puck looks like at all. I did for ages and then discovered that for my tastes, coffee and gear combination, the yummiest espressos tend to have wet pucks. But I don't use that info at all. I just adjust dose and grind to get the taste I like. Sometimes, the a higher dose gives a nicer shot so the puck is drier, but I don't look at the puck to see if I'm producing nice shots. I also think (again, for my setup) the ridge makes no difference to taste.
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Sounds like you have things nicely under control Pete.Originally posted by Pete39 View PostI find the ridge/ridge-less makes no difference in how hard it is to get the puck out cleanly. For me, it depends on dose. If I'm dosing lower, the puck is sloppier and usually doesn't come out in one hit. I don't worry about what the puck looks like at all. I did for ages and then discovered that for my tastes, coffee and gear combination, the yummiest espressos tend to have wet pucks. But I don't use that info at all. I just adjust dose and grind to get the taste I like. Sometimes, the a higher dose gives a nicer shot so the puck is drier, but I don't look at the puck to see if I'm producing nice shots. I also think (again, for my setup) the ridge makes no difference to taste.
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Hi Robin,Originally posted by rawill View PostA good question, I guess I thought "immediately", no drips, no other streams, just a single pour straight away.
But now that you have challenged me, I am thinking that is probably impossible.
This morning there were about 3 or 4 drips, then a single cone.
Even at the longest, (without having timed it) I am thinking about a second or two before it becomes a single cone, unless of course I really mess up the grind and tamping, which can happen sometimes if I have old beans.
I'm a fan of syrupy, drippy pours and am happy if I don't see a single stream until the 6th to
the 12th second ......... but I don't use such a small filter. But I gave it a go........
Using the single filter, same coffee, grind setting and tamp the drippy bit lasted 3 seconds. ( standard extraction ).
When I first started with proper coffee, extraction flow was described to me as " a drip that wants to pour ".
I could play around with it a bit more but I consider a circa 7g dose a waste of good coffee!! ;-D :-D :-D
Cheers.
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Hi Yelta, sounds like it hey? Most of the time I can sort things out pretty quickly if things don't taste right, but just when all seems well, something comes up that catches me off guard!! Current issue is with my roasting and the cold weather - have not used my current roasting setup in winter and am finding I need more heat - work to be done, fun to be had!Originally posted by Yelta View PostSounds like you have things nicely under control Pete.
I'm with Chokkidog - I tend to like the slow, drippy pours and usually don't get a single stream until about 10 seconds after the first drops (sometimes quite a bit later if the pour is really slow). Much quicker and I loose the flavors I like.
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So how many grams of ground beans would you put in a single basket?Originally posted by chokkidog View PostI could play around with it a bit more but I consider a circa 7g dose a waste of good coffee!! ;-D :-D :-D
Cheers.
I thought a 7gm basket should be about 7grams or a bit less.
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I don't weigh my coffee........but I do have scales. :-D
My single filter just sits under a pile of coffee 'stuff', at the back of a big drawer, under the coffee machine.
It is not a VST x 7 gm, so it probably doses somewhere up to 15 gms??
The single spout p/f has the blind filter in it permanently..... for the daily backflush.
My regular filter is a 21 gm Precision.
I'll be back in a minute........ in the single: 12.4 gms. ( going by volume...maybe a slightly higher dose than this morning )
A 7gm VST is probably +/- 1 or 2 gms, when playing by the VST rules?? but what it can actually hold, I don't know.
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Snap chokkiOriginally posted by chokkidog View PostI don't weigh my coffee........but I do have scales. :-D
My single filter just sits under a pile of coffee 'stuff', at the back of a big drawer, under the coffee machine.
It is not a VST x 7 gm, so it probably doses somewhere up to 15 gms??
The single spout p/f has the blind filter in it permanently..... for the daily backflush.
My regular filter is a 21 gm Precision.
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I don't normally weigh my coffee either, just did it for fun the other day.Originally posted by chokkidog View PostI don't weigh my coffee........but I do have scales. :-D
A 7gm VST is probably +/- 1 or 2 gms, when playing by the VST rules?? but what it can actually hold, I don't know.
I fill the basket to about 1mm below the top of the 1st step, leaves lots of room for water to settle on the puck!!!
Wet sometimes sloppy puck.
It will probably hold at least 3 times that amount of coffee.
Robin
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VST's are, by design, rated at about the size given. Don't dose them to the 'normal' level, dose them to the recommended weight. Works well. Some people get VST's and ignore what is said and dose them like they'd dose other baskets and then complain the VST's are hard to use - they aren't, but some people have problems following recommendations.
From another member who has spent a LONG time making coffees, stick to a little above the rated VST size and you will discover a better level of flavour.
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