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  • #16
    Re: descalling...when??DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

    Originally posted by Dennis link=1175073473/0#14 date=1175670982
    Not sure I understand - if water softeners are recommended for the giotto, what are my options please Chris? btw - I already use filtered water from a pretty good under-sink system.
    Dennis,

    The standard under sink units do nothing to remove hardness (prevent scale build up in your boiler).

    The options are :

    Britta Jug (filter replaced frequently)
    Water softener commercial machine size (recharged with salt every month or so)
    Water softener cartridge (replaced at recommended intervals)...

    F.C sells the last two.

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    • #17
      Re: descalling...when??DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

      Sounds great Dennis. I was suggesting that because an in tank softeners are impossible for a Giotto, owners should use filtered, softened water. Sounds like yours comes from your kitchen tap! Expobar, Unico and Diadema all have in-tank softeners and they can easily (and I would suggest should) be added to Silvias and any other machine with silicon water tubes living in tanks....

      I use a jug...

      One thing to keep in mind is that Reverse Osmosis water KILLS machines (were looking at you, WA residents ) unless you then add ions to the filtered product and in the correct proportions....

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      • #18
        Re: descalling...when??DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

        Ok, am now starting to panic...lol

        Have just come up from under the sink and we have a clearwater, twin cartridge filtration system. I understand this would not soften, but just keep out the yukky stuff.

        Dont want a brita - look at me...I cant fit another appliance anywhere.

        Should I just pm cosmorex and hope he has something I can throw in the tank???

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        • #19
          Re: descalling...when??DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

          No can do Dennis- why not add a softener cartridge to your under sink?

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          • #20
            Re: descalling...when??DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

            Originally posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1175073473/15#18 date=1175673369
            No can do Dennis- why not add a softener cartridge to your under sink?
            Thanks - will contact clearwater to investigate how this can be achieved

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            • #21
              Re: descalling...when??DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

              That brand you mentioned Dennis (which supplied the under-sink filtration on my boat: silver-impregnated activated charcoal to get rid of the taste of stagnation and sundry other tastes--works well) and they do have a softener cartridge, but I think it is disposable and therefore costly.

              Youre probably better off using the proprietary ones which recharge with salt.

              -Robusto

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              • #22
                Re: descalling...when??DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

                Originally posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1175073473/0#5 date=1175571716
                Just a thought...

                a)
                For those of you with semi commercials with internal water reservoirs that dont have a "water softener" on the end of the water pick up line, there is usually no reason why you cant simply add one....its only a push on fit onto the end of the silicon tube.

                Instead of descaling the machine then, you simply regenerate the softener from time to time depending on the quality of your local water and the amount of throughput your machine is subject to. Its (a lot) easier than descaling the machine.

                We have them, as they are standard equipment on our Diadema Juniors and Unico Splendors.

                Its easier to stop the stuff forming in the first place (to a greater degree) than it is to remove it.

                Regardz,
                FC.
                I have the Unico Splendor with the softener attached, how do I regenerate it? (scratches head trying not to look too dumb)

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                • #23
                  Re: descalling...when??DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

                  Originally posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1175073473/0#13 date=1175665893
                  Originally posted by Flo link=1175073473/0#9 date=1175662272
                  Hey 2mcm...what is the story re: softening and Giotto? Recommended or not?
                  Yes Flo- recommended....The unique water pickup in the Giotto means that you should fill the machine with filtered, softened water....FCs in tank softeners are sadly not suitable as there are no silicon water tubes....

                  2mcm
                  I just use a Brita Jug with the Maxtra cartridge for filtration...Ok or should I be using something else?

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                  • #24
                    Re: descalling...when??DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

                    So as my Expobar already has the softener in the tank is my Brita filtered water just overkill?

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                    • #25
                      Re: descalling...when??DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

                      Originally posted by Thundergod link=1175073473/15#23 date=1175692615
                      So as my Expobar already has the softener in the tank is my Brita filtered water just overkill?
                      Thundergod,

                      All types of scale removal filtration (with the possible exception of reverse osmosis - and of course distillation) only reduce the percentage of calcium. Even my commercial water softener leaves some calcium salts....

                      So the more stages of filtration the better... And as FC said - it is easier to stop the stuff forming in the first place.

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                      • #26
                        Re: descalling...when??DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

                        Good to know.

                        Thanks.

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                        • #27
                          Re: descalling...when??DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

                          Ok, regenerating this thread. I removed the cartridge from my Expobar Minore when I bought it. It believe it might have been the softnener cartridge. I was adviced it was OK to remove it since the resulting pour would come out yellow... I use a Sunbeam filtered water dispenser but now having now read this - have I done a bad thing even though I use filtered water?

                          If I need to put it back, does it matter which tube it goes onto (there are 2 in the Expobar)?

                          Been a year now since I bought it.... *nervous*

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                          • #28
                            Re: descalling...when??DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

                            Originally posted by 30in30 link=1175073473/15#26 date=1212406423
                            If I need to put it back, does it matter which tube it goes onto (there are 2 in the Expobar)?
                            Gday 30,

                            Seems like strange advice to give you :-?..... But anyway, you need to reconnect it to the tube that leads to the suction input of your pump. The other tube will be the Bypass line from your OPV....

                            Cheers,
                            Mal.

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                            • #29
                              Re: descalling...when??DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

                              Many filters are one-way. Look for an arrow on your filter indicating the direction of water flow. If theres no arrow then it probably doesnt matter which way its hooked up.


                              Java "Filtering reality" phile
                              Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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                              • #30
                                Re: descalling...when??DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

                                The Expobar filter sits at the end of the line.
                                So it can only be connected from the right end.

                                The trick is to pick which of the two tubes.

                                If you cant see which one is drawing the water out then put in the blind filter and see which tube puts the water back into the reservoir when the OPV kicks in.
                                It will then be the other tube.

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