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  • #31
    The comment about the arborio was meant to be humorous.

    The mess with the 5 cent test is minimal, but I dislike mess.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by gunda View Post
      Yep, that's all we're trying to do. We're not looking to make this overly complex, despite what it might seem.
      I dont know where the "overly complex" comment came from. It is quite simple, get the dose right and everything else follows that. Always keep the dose a constant while the other variables change around that. Simple concept, done.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by TOK View Post
        However, I am afraid I will never agree with those that espouse the idea that you should weigh stuff. The whole process depends on the correct tamped volumetric dose, and that depends on the size of the parti-kills ie the grind setting for the particular type of coffee, with a consistent press or tamp. It doesnmadder what the weight it, what matters is the correct volumetric dose irrespective of grind particle size. And that also varies between the type of group that is fitted to any particular type of machine.

        As always however, people are free to think and do as they please
        I weigh my doses because:
        a) the mass of the dose doesn't change during tamping (whilst the volume does).
        b) the volume of grinds pre-tamp varies the grind size and level of compaction (whilst the mass does not).
        c) It is easy to dose exactly the same quantity, or to know how much more or less I have dosed, before I tamp.

        I don't really follow how "the correct tamped volumetric dose" can be dependent on particle size only and not mass. Changing one will change the other. I could equally say that particle size doesn't matter so long as you can tamp the required mass into the "correct tamped volume".

        In any case, judgment of what is the "correct" grind size/mass isn't based on their objective measurement, but rather on some other parameter(s); presumably the pour/the taste.

        Unless perhaps I am missing something.
        Last edited by MrJack; 11 September 2014, 09:05 PM.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by gunda View Post
          The comment about the arborio was meant to be humorous.

          The mess with the 5 cent test is minimal, but I dislike mess.
          +1 on the mess and wastage. That's why I use rice as a viable alternative to the 5 cent test and I wanted to put it out there so people have that option. I don't care which way you do it, whatever works for you but there is no reason to be cynical about another method.

          Despite sounding humorous small grain rice compacts better than the larger grain arboria and provides a more accurate result.

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