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  • mthomas87
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    Sounds like for your cap you'd be after something between a 6oz (177mL) or 8oz cup (227mL) which are roughly small and medium size takeaway cups for that drink. In a cafe you'd probably be using a 20g basket (or larger) and splitting the shot to make a small cap with less volume than you're currently drinking or using the whole thing for a medium and it'd be more volume. That's a pretty large generalisation though.
    If you just want a couple of cups for now, get something for the drink YOU like drinking and don't worry about conforming to someone else's standard. Sounds like you want something in the 190mL to 210mL range. If you want something really nice, there are site sponsors that can hook you up with Acme or Loveramics cups that are both used in cafes.
    Edit: sorry, probably a 5oz cup. 150-160mL
    Last edited by mthomas87; 22 August 2021, 11:30 PM.

  • l2oBiN
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    I am just starting out but this is what I am doing at the moment

    Izzo Alex Duetto II
    Mignon Specialita
    94c on boiler, 125c on steamer
    CS Fiefy's Barista Blend coffee beans
    17g coffe pulling 32g shots in ~30s using double basket
    leveling/distributing by wrist tap on side of basket
    Steel tamper, level to basket using medium pressure.

    For a cap adding 120ml fresh full cream milk, ~3 s air air draw with stretch for the remainder to about 1-2s beyond too hot to handle.

    Adding espresso shot then steamed milk into a mug (~330ml) until it's 3/4 full. Dusting with 80% coco to power sugar mix.

    I am currently happy with the flavour. To me it tastes better than what I have in several standard cafes. But the mug experience ruins it for me. I am searching for proper cap sized cups to standardised on. Hence the initiation behind this whole post..

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  • level3ninja
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    Well what are you making at the moment? Tell us everything, machine, grinder, baskets, coffee beans, recipe, milk type and amounts... do you like what you're getting now or do you wish it was different somehow?

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  • l2oBiN
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    Hehe yes I am already making coffee in mugs... The whole though chain got initiated from trying to determine which cups I should buy it serve espresso, cap, latte...

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  • tompoland
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    Or ... just make some coffee already?

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  • l2oBiN
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    For home buy I would like to replicate a cafe approach do I can standardise things if I ever decide to make it more commercial..

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  • level3ninja
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    So are you trying to figure this out for home or for a cafe?

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  • l2oBiN
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    Ok. So it seems them that there is quite a lot of variability and self interpretation when it comes to the various drinks and sizes.

    It would be great if anyone could chime in with their cafe based breakdown for a small medium and large cappuccino and a latte - pehsps this will require another post and a bunch more research...

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  • level3ninja
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    Every cafe needs to decide these things for themselves. It depends on a number of things, including their likely clientele. Lots of coffee savvy commuters? Smaller cups. Lots of mums with babies? Massive cups.

  • l2oBiN
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    Originally posted by Dartiguan View Post
    I found this article particularly helpful at Commercial link removed as per Site Posting Policy The Australian Coffee menu explained. It shows cup sizes, espresso shot components and has comments on presentation of all the varied shots you can make. Let us know if it is helpful

    Thank you. The site goes a long way to answering the question. However the glass sizes still need some defining. For example, is a cappuccino served in 160/180 mL cups or 200-220 mL cups?
    How about a large or a small cappuccino? How are these sizes practically determined?

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  • mthomas87
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    There’s the added weight of the coffee which changes it a little bit but the biggest change in volume is from the aeration of the espresso (crema). Imagine if you have 40ml of cream and it weighs 40g. If you whip that cream you’ll still have 40g but the volume is much higher so you’ll get something like 80mL of volume.
    Does that make sense?

  • Dartiguan
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    Mthomas87 could you elaborate on this here or should I start a new post. Here is the problem. When I looked at grams and millitres I found there was a 1:1 ratio. That is in water 1gm is equal to 1 ml. But that is water. Are you saying that that a 1gm shot of coffee has an amount of TDS plus water so that a 1gm shot is not equal to 1 ml. Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere but I have not found the answer to this yet or perhaps I am not asking the right questions.
    The key issue is volume vs weight?

  • Dartiguan
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    I found this article particularly helpful at Commercial link removed as per Site Posting Policy The Australian Coffee menu explained. It shows cup sizes, espresso shot components and has comments on presentation of all the varied shots you can make. Let us know if it is helpful

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  • mthomas87
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    Grams are used for brew ratios (20g of ground coffee, 40g of espresso = 1:2 ratio) but the beverage ratios are usually volume (mL) ratios. 40g of espresso will give you an approximate volume of 60mL but the volume will change depending on the coffee, how much crema etc. which is why brew ratios are in weight not volume.

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  • level3ninja
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    What you are calling a brewing ratio of 1:1 (7g:14g) is actually 1:2. 1:1 would be 7g:7g. Also grams to mils isn't equal. And to me a single shot is around 10g of ground coffee.

    Unfortunately, there is no complete system that all makes sense, as you have worked out. Personally if I'm having a coffee with milk in it I like a roughly 1:2 ratio of coffee to milk. So if I'm having a double shot the cup will be around 150-170ml. If I want a single shot I'll have a piccolo latte in an espresso cup.

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