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  • Matching cup size and volumes for cappuccino, espresso, latte?

    Hey community. I have recently dove into the wonderful world of coffee so a lot of knowledge gaps to fill in. I am trying to decide on cups sizes to match to an espresso, cappuccino and latte.

    I am finding it a little confusing on how to best match sizes.

    If I understand this correctly, a standard espresso works off ~7g of coffee. This would turn into ~15ml of 1:1 espresso. That seems way too small of a volume to serve.

    so I guess a default is a double(?) ~15g to make ~30ml of espresso.. again still seems quite small volume…

    This then opens up questions on what the correct amount of total volume is for a capuccino? A late? Are these by default based of a double shot??

    Which cups then match correctly for these drinks?

    Eg a cap based of a single 7g coffe, 1:1 15ml espresso is then only about 50ml? A 100ml for a double?

    So coming back to the fundamentals, what should be a standard espresso volume and based on how much coffee ?

    Following on from this what would be the standard volume and matching cup for a cappuccino? A flat white? And how does it break down into milk, foam, espresso (coffee grams, shot volume and ratio)?

    Would appreciate some clarification on the matter.

    thank you.







  • #2
    The Fellows website explains their different cup sizes quite well. I'm a fan on their monty range https://fellowproducts.com/products/monty-milk-art-cups I'm sure one of our site sponsors will stock them (alternativebrewing.com.au maybe)

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    • #3
      Standard espresso, according to most, is double out whatever you put in e.g. 18g of beans in and 36g out = espresso.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by tompoland View Post
        The Fellows website explains their different cup sizes quite well. I'm a fan on their monty range https://fellowproducts.com/products/monty-milk-art-cups I'm sure one of our site sponsors will stock them (alternativebrewing.com.au maybe)

        I looked at the page you sent through but I can’t seem to find in depth guide to the cups. I am sure I am missing something?

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        • tompoland
          tompoland commented
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          Your original post: "trying to decide on cups sizes to match to an espresso, cappuccino and latte." And the url I gave you shows you cups designed for each one. As to "depth guide" not sure what you mean. The volume is stated for each cup type on that pages. Other than that, depth will be determined by diameter. Perhaps someone will understand your requirements better. Best.

      • #5
        tompoland

        I see it might be a bit confusing, let me see if I can make it easier to understand.

        I am dying to determine the correct volume ratios and thus size for an espresso, a latte and a cappuccino.

        The issue I am having is defining what the correct espresso looks like.

        for example, if only a single shot of espresso is used for say a cappuccino, and that espresso is based on the standard 7g coffee brewed at 1:1 (w/w) coffee to water the total weight of the single shot would be 14g. While I have not directly measured the volume, I am going on a based that the total volume of that single shot of espresso would be about 14mL.

        if a cappuccino is 1 part espresso to 2 parts frothed milk volume the total espresso size would be 14 + 14 + 14 = 42mL .

        this just does not calculate. I never had a ~40ml cappuccino and cappuccino cups are usually around 160mL from what I gather.

        If a standard cappuccino cup is 160 then going off the same 1 part espresso to 2 parts frothed milk, the espresso should be ~53mL (1/3) to ~106mL (2/3) frothed milk.

        so if this is the case, the espresso shot should be prepared with 21.5g coffee to yield 53mL total volume brewed at 1:1 (w/w coffee to water)

        This then is a triple the dose of the standard 7g espresso!

        So if the 1:2 (v/v) cappuccino formula is to be followed, the cup volume plays a mayor role is determining what ground coffee weight is needed to achieve the volume ratio unless the cups are under filled.


        so my question is what is the correct cup volume and the corresponding correct espresso and milk volume ? Are there any standards? Which cups follow the standards for these drinks?











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        • FNQ
          FNQ commented
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          My thoughts are a bit different. I will use a standard double shot analogy for simplicity ( and i think you get better results than single shots.)

          The shot metric is 1:2 ( as you suggest) So 18 gms in 36 gms out (or similar note this is weight not volume) ,,, in the end it doesn't effect my milk calculations ( which is where I think you may be getting confused).

          So start with the end in mind.
          Get the right sized cup for whatever you like- whatever book you adhere to etc. ( maybe 160 ml or 190 ml for cappuchino ....... which in my reference ( google cappuchino cup size) and they use 25 mls of espresso and 125 mls of milk ,,,, so a bit different to yours,, and probably close to what i produce although i don't measure volume per se.

          I currently use 240-250ml glasses for a morning latte. So I extract my shot using 18 in to 36 gms out and whatever space that is left i use for textured milk. In a latte I aim for approx 1 cm depth of foamy milk at the top ...... sometimes in a cappuchino i aim for a thicker foam .

          So I am not sure if i use the same recipe of 1 part espresso to 2 parts milk,

      • #6
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aTFsBqhpLes

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F4wrUP4c5P4

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=45Ja8pJU73s

        Google search is your friend. Hope these help.

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        • #7
          What you are calling a brewing ratio of 1:1 (7g:14g) is actually 1:2. 1:1 would be 7g:7g. Also grams to mils isn't equal. And to me a single shot is around 10g of ground coffee.

          Unfortunately, there is no complete system that all makes sense, as you have worked out. Personally if I'm having a coffee with milk in it I like a roughly 1:2 ratio of coffee to milk. So if I'm having a double shot the cup will be around 150-170ml. If I want a single shot I'll have a piccolo latte in an espresso cup.

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          • #8
            Grams are used for brew ratios (20g of ground coffee, 40g of espresso = 1:2 ratio) but the beverage ratios are usually volume (mL) ratios. 40g of espresso will give you an approximate volume of 60mL but the volume will change depending on the coffee, how much crema etc. which is why brew ratios are in weight not volume.

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            • Dartiguan
              Dartiguan commented
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              Mthomas87 could you elaborate on this here or should I start a new post. Here is the problem. When I looked at grams and millitres I found there was a 1:1 ratio. That is in water 1gm is equal to 1 ml. But that is water. Are you saying that that a 1gm shot of coffee has an amount of TDS plus water so that a 1gm shot is not equal to 1 ml. Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere but I have not found the answer to this yet or perhaps I am not asking the right questions.
              The key issue is volume vs weight?

            • mthomas87
              mthomas87 commented
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              There’s the added weight of the coffee which changes it a little bit but the biggest change in volume is from the aeration of the espresso (crema). Imagine if you have 40ml of cream and it weighs 40g. If you whip that cream you’ll still have 40g but the volume is much higher so you’ll get something like 80mL of volume.
              Does that make sense?

          • #9
            I found this article particularly helpful at Commercial link removed as per Site Posting Policy The Australian Coffee menu explained. It shows cup sizes, espresso shot components and has comments on presentation of all the varied shots you can make. Let us know if it is helpful

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            • #10
              Originally posted by Dartiguan View Post
              I found this article particularly helpful at Commercial link removed as per Site Posting Policy The Australian Coffee menu explained. It shows cup sizes, espresso shot components and has comments on presentation of all the varied shots you can make. Let us know if it is helpful

              Thank you. The site goes a long way to answering the question. However the glass sizes still need some defining. For example, is a cappuccino served in 160/180 mL cups or 200-220 mL cups?
              How about a large or a small cappuccino? How are these sizes practically determined?

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              • level3ninja
                level3ninja commented
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                Every cafe needs to decide these things for themselves. It depends on a number of things, including their likely clientele. Lots of coffee savvy commuters? Smaller cups. Lots of mums with babies? Massive cups.

            • #11
              Ok. So it seems them that there is quite a lot of variability and self interpretation when it comes to the various drinks and sizes.

              It would be great if anyone could chime in with their cafe based breakdown for a small medium and large cappuccino and a latte - pehsps this will require another post and a bunch more research...

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              • #12
                So are you trying to figure this out for home or for a cafe?

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                • #13
                  For home buy I would like to replicate a cafe approach do I can standardise things if I ever decide to make it more commercial..

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                  • #14
                    Or ... just make some coffee already?

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                    • #15
                      Hehe yes I am already making coffee in mugs... The whole though chain got initiated from trying to determine which cups I should buy it serve espresso, cap, latte...

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