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cheers... yeah I probably should not have used the word 'problem'... it's not really an issue, it's just different to a cafe style flat white for example.
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cheers for the coloured cup suggestion, didn't know there was any mind trick associated to that
as for the strength/flavour, the 20->40 ratio is good/works well for my setup, and the strength is not actually a problem for me (it's just different to what I'd get in a cafe). I just use a larger cup/glasss if I want more milk... I just think of it as a 'strong flat white'.
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jasiano it's a bit of a "woodoo" science but there are suggestions that colour of the cup you drink from can affect your perceived flavour: white cups make coffee taste more bitter, red cups - sweeter and blue cups - sweeter & better. I also tried ACME cups and d'Ancap cups side by side and found that the coffee tasted different but can't explain why: colour, shape or glazing of the cups?
Another thing is to try is to try espresso 20in/20out , 20in/30out, 20in/40out & 20in/60out (30~35sec) - experiment and find what your tastebuds like the most.
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Jasi try a VST 15g basket or more so - on what you post - an OEM dble basket (machine supplied i.e. 14g dose or around that) will more likely closer match what your pallette is seeking.Originally posted by jasiano View PostI lucked out - European Foods in Perth had a bunch of Acme stuff on clearance... scored a box of 36 cappucino cups (190mL) for $5 !! Plus the matching saucers $5 for a box of 36 as well. They are terrific cups, the weight and thickness is very satisfying.
The only problem is that I do a 20g in/40g out double shot for a flat white in those cups is a bit stronger than normal !!
As you've found good tasting espresso is not just about a cup or even the volume perse of the cup, its about .....
the amount of espresso
And the strength of that shot
and matching it with the milk quality and amount to match your taste buds.
Taste, try, taste further ...you'll get there if you stick at it!
And no its not that hard !
GL
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I lucked out - European Foods in Perth had a bunch of Acme stuff on clearance... scored a box of 36 cappucino cups (190mL) for $5 !! Plus the matching saucers $5 for a box of 36 as well. They are terrific cups, the weight and thickness is very satisfying.
The only problem is that I do a 20g in/40g out double shot for a flat white in those cups is a bit stronger than normal !!
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level3ninja Yeah, despite my warning, I do use them for long blacks too. I tend to hold them by the ridges and wait until it has cooled a bit as I find the flavour is a bit better. My short blacks are made in my ACF 70mls and a small cup of about 100ml for lungos. I tend to make macchiatos rather piccolos for the few times I opt for this style of coffee.
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flynnaus I use the 160ml Picardie for a long black nearly every day. I think I pick it up like I was taught to hold Vietnamese tea cups, thumb and first finger (pointer) gripping the rim edge, and fourth finger (or pinky) supporting a bottom edge. Don't get much surface contact that way and minimal heat transfer. Thinking about it though, I don't tend to preheat the Picardie cups for long blacks. I find that ceramic cups like ACME or NotNeutral require preheating with hot water or they suck too much heat out of the coffee, the Picardie doesn't seem to do this likely due to lower thermal mass.
The lip on them makes them my favourite cup to drink a double espresso out of. The 90ml Picardie is my choice for a single espresso.
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thanks for these suggestions. Looking at some 'Provence' as well as 'Picardie' style glasses mentioned, the price is definitely more palatable!
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Dimmy to paraphrase a car ad I once saw..."Your not giving this your full attention"
Whether the Picardie or the Provence...they are a great way to enjoy a Piccolo Late (120ml/4oz) after a lazy w/e b/fast.....
or a traditional Latte (180ml /6oz) at mid morning.
Last edited by EspressoAdventurer; 9 November 2021, 01:35 PM.
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Also use these for the 'Cafe' aesthetic too!
However I have the 'Provence' style over the Picardie which don't have the flared lip - just straight which tend to be used more in Cafe's. Can normally be found for about $15-$20 for 6.
But be careful because when they smash they explode into billions of pieces which is a pain.
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They use these a lot in cafes ... and in the Flynn household for the breakfast latte/flat white
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https://coffeesnobs.com.au/forum/equ...ups-do-you-use This thread might be useful, they mention a wide range of cups
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