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    Good afternoon, and condolences to our British friends who lost their queen.

    I am Italian and I just moved to the UK. I have to buy a bean-to-cup machine (the reason why is s a long story) but I much prefer filter coffee, as brewed by Technivorm KB741. Can someone recommend which of these all-in-one makers comes closest to a filter coffee flavour and taste?

    Sage Oracle Touch
    JURA E8
    De'Longhi Prima Donna Elite (chocolate, cold coffee and cold milk froth)
    De'Longhi Prima Donna Soul One (more options for longer brews, including coffee pot)
    Melitta Barista TS SMART
    Other ?

    Thank you in advance for your time and expertise. Tommaso

  • #2
    Sage Oracle Touch would the closet making a long black, a long double shot topped up with 2/3 boiling water, but really none are filter style.

    Have you heard of the Gevi 4-in-1 coffee machine? This is effectively a V60 style brewer with built in kettle and coffee grinder. It is not quite bean to cup but is similar to the Sage Oracle Touch but using pour over /filter instead of pressurized group handle to brew.
    Last edited by roosterben; 19 September 2022, 12:31 PM.

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    • tompoland
      tompoland commented
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      The Gevi is pretty amazing. Bought one from Blues1143 and @BoscoLever has one too. Just saying...

  • #3
    Thank you for the Sage recommendation. Have you tried the other machines?

    As for the Gevi, there are circumstances that impede me from using any other additional brewer. I must, therefore, find which bean-to-cup machine brews the closest taste to a filtered brew.

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    • #4
      Originally posted by Ascanio1 View Post
      Good afternoon, and condolences to our British friends who lost their queen. I am Italian and I just moved to the UK. I have to buy a bean-to-cup machine (the reason why is s a long story) but I much prefer filter coffee, as brewed by Technivorm KB741. Can someone recommend which of these all-in-one makers comes closest to a filter coffee flavour and taste? Sage Oracle Touch JURA E8 De'Longhi Prima Donna Elite (chocolate, cold coffee and cold milk froth) De'Longhi Prima Donna Soul One (more options for longer brews, including coffee pot) Melitta Barista TS SMART Other ? Thank you in advance for your time and expertise. Tommaso
      They've been discontinued but if you can find a Breville (Sage) YouBrew it is literally a bean to cup batch brewer. It's the only one I've ever seen.

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      • #5
        Originally posted by LeroyC View Post
        They've been discontinued but if you can find a Breville (Sage) YouBrew it is literally a bean to cup batch brewer. It's the only one I've ever seen.
        Thank you Leroy, in my original post I explained that it must be a B2C and this Breville YouBrew is a filter or pour over. Would you please recommend an all-in-one coffee maker, from the list or otherwise, that makes all the cappuccinos, etc and also a black coffee that is close as possible to a filter coffee?

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        • #6
          Originally posted by Ascanio1 View Post
          Thank you Leroy, in my original post I explained that it must be a B2C and this Breville YouBrew is a filter or pour over. Would you please recommend an all-in-one coffee maker, from the list or otherwise, that makes all the cappuccinos, etc and also a black coffee that is close as possible to a filter coffee?
          Ah ok so you want something that makes a range of drinks as well as a filter style black coffee. Bean to cup machines aren't really known for quality. Of the ones you listed the Sage Oracle Touch would be my recommendation. It requires a bit more involvement from the user than the others, but will make better quality drinks and will allow you to make more adjustments to get the result you want. I'm sure it has an option for a long black or Americano that would be somewhat like a filter style coffee.

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          • #7
            I hate to say but the other option is the new Nespresso. I just saw an add for it yesterday and it does everything you want. It even come with a carafe for serving your filter style coffee. If you don't like the Nespresso pods or don't like the idea of them you could buy reusable ones and fill them with the coffee of your choice. A lot of specialty roasters are now also selling Nespresso compatible pods.

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            • #8
              LeroyC, thank you.

              You are the only one who offered a pertinent recommendation in response to my OP question, across 5 coffee forums.

              I appreciate that no B2C will ever be able to make a good filter like coffee (pressure, grind, extraction times, etc) but my question was not which one makes a perfect, or even only a good, filter coffee but which one makes the closest iteration to a filter coffee.

              Re the Nespresso machine, do you mean the Virtuo Next (*) or other model? Also which iteration of the Virtuo Next (there are four models). Does it make cappuccino and caffé-latte? I am a bit concerned with the cost of coffee, itself, as one forgets the cost of the machine, but one is constantly reminded, every week, of the cost of the beans. If I were to grind my own beans, would I be able to refill pods for this Nespresso?

              Thank you. Tommaso

              (*) https://www.nespresso.com/uk/en/orde...t-c-matt-black

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              • #9
                Originally posted by Ascanio1 View Post
                LeroyC, thank you. You are the only one who offered a pertinent recommendation in response to my OP question, across 5 coffee forums. I appreciate that no B2C will ever be able to make a good filter like coffee (pressure, grind, extraction times, etc) but my question was not which one makes a perfect, or even only a good, filter coffee but which one makes the closest iteration to a filter coffee. Re the Nespresso machine, do you mean the Virtuo Next (*) or other model? Also which iteration of the Virtuo Next (there are four models). Does it make cappuccino and caffé-latte? I am a bit concerned with the cost of coffee, itself, as one forgets the cost of the machine, but one is constantly reminded, every week, of the cost of the beans. If I were to grind my own beans, would I be able to refill pods for this Nespresso? Thank you. Tommaso (*) https://www.nespresso.com/uk/en/orde...t-c-matt-black
                I can't remember the exact Nespresso model sorry, but it was a Virtuo of some sort. Looking at what's listed on that UK site it might not actually be available there. Either that or it hasn't come out yet. I saw a video ad for it on YouTube recently and it included a pour over style carafe so it'll be obvious if you do see it. Personally I'd go with the Sage, but the Nespresso is very user friendly.

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                • crazyhakins
                  crazyhakins commented
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                  I wouldn't recommend the refillable pods, it's incredibly difficult to get a good extraction from them because you need to be so spot on with your grind and dose with pods. It's very fiddly, and you will likely choke as many pods as you pull with a good extraction.

                  Since you like filter coffee the Gevi is probably your best bet.

              • #10
                1. Do any of the B2C on the list offer the possibility to grind beans and use them in another brewer?
                2. Are you aware of brewing methods for the Americano (or the longest brew offered) for each B2C (*)?

                (*) I am hoping that one of the machines will not use pressure or as little as possible

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                • #11
                  I think what you are describing in a B2C machine is quite difficult to find. If you can narrow it down to the machine that makes the best espresso in which you can either dilute or make a long black, you will have better chances. James Hoffman did a pretty comprehensive review here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZEM1cC86t8
                  He also has an video on how to dial in your B2C machine to get the best out of them.

                  I assume you are assigned to the task of picking a machine for the office.. but if you don't want to compromise on your coffee, have you considered using a hand grinder and an aeropress? You just need access to hot water and good beans to make good "filter" style coffee at work, and easily tucked away when you are done.


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                  • #12
                    Do any of the B2C listed offer an option to pour boiling hot water and to ground coffee for use separately? If yes, then could I not use that option to add ground coffee in a filter, inside a very basic filter holder on top of a cup and press hot water only?

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                    • Barry O'Speedwagon
                      Barry O'Speedwagon commented
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                      I doubt that any of them are going to grind coffee for use elsewhere. The Oracle looks like it could, but I would assume that you have to have a portafilter locked in to start the grind process.

                      The essence of these machines is having a grinder set up so that it feeds a filter basket with minimal loss of grinds elsewhere.

                      If you want to be 100% sure, have a look a the instruction manuals for each machine. If there is an option such as you describe regarding the grinder, it will be in the manual.

                  • #13
                    Thank you. One more question would be which grinds coarser between the de Longhi Elite and the Sage Oracle. Does anyone know?

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                    • #14
                      I found https://www.delonghi.com/en-gb/bco43...ker/p/BCO431.S

                      The challenge being that, while I could put the grinder on top of the brewer and, maybe, big maybe, get away with the ground coffee preparation, it still does not offer the half dozen different coffee based drinks...

                      Are there any other brands that make something similar?

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                      • 338
                        338 commented
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                        Hi Ascanio, welcome, as a new member you probably don't know the rules but worth a quick read. It might be worth typing out the model rather than just posting a link, the mods will remove any links not to sponsors and then your post becomes meaningless

                      • Ascanio1
                        Ascanio1 commented
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                        Thank you! I will keep it in mind! Grazie!

                    • #15
                      I just changed from semi to super auto and my observation is that the Delonghis are your best choice. Consensus seems to be that Jura may be slightly better at espresso. But if you are drinking a wide variety of drinks Delonghi seem to have you covered. Their Long coffee function uses a pulsating low pressure brew method. You can also brew a Doppio+ (their version of a high dose espresso) and water down a la a long black. Pretty good, though not quite as clean as filter coffee. I roast my own and medium works really well in these machines set to high temp. Watch James Hoffmann’s video on YouTube where he dials in superauto machines. Enjoy!

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                      • ElShauno
                        ElShauno commented
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                        The Elite is the premium model from the previous generation - the Soul is the premium model from this current generation. I have read from someone on this forum when I was doing research - someone who servies them - that the Soul has steel flat burrs and is the best grinder he/she/they have seen in a B2C.

                      • Ascanio1
                        Ascanio1 commented
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                        Again, good afternoon, ElShauno and, again, thank you for helping me.

                        I was about to buy the DeLonghi Souls, as discussed, when I realised that it's one third cheaper (£500) than the Elite which it replaces which, you inform me, is of lesser quality than the Soul. Can you help me understand how it's possible? The newer top of the line (Soul) costs one third less than the previous top of the line (Elite)? Usually, the newest model is always a little bit more expensive. This one is one third cheaper! How is it possible?

                        Thank you in advance! Tommaso

                      • ElShauno
                        ElShauno commented
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                        I'm not an expert on pricing but can only reiterate that the Soul is the current flagship of Delonghi's lineup - and the Elite has been discontinued, having been released in 2015. I'd be very wary of buying one new at such an inflated cost.
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