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  • Ascanio1
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    Goof afternoon, Noidle and thank you for helping!

    The De'Longhi Soul is within budget, as it can be found under £900 or AUS$ 1,600 in England. I agree that the grinder is the best available in B2C devices (or so I have been told) but the grinder output cannot be used to brew filter coffee.

    Also, it may help to let you know that we will not drink any espresso as we do not like it. We will brew only capuccino, caffé'latte, etc. and I will brew, aside, filter/pour-over.

    I look forward to your comments, Tommaso

  • Ascanio1
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    Good afternoon, FilthySudo [what a name ], and thank you for your comment.

    The budget is about 1,800 AUS$ and I am looking for:
    1. Grinder that can be used to grind beans for a filter/pour-over coffee
    2. all-in-one operation or B2C
    3. Size (small is better)
    4. quality of coffee based drinks (*) as cappuccino or caffé'e latte

    As you can see, quality is less important that a grinder that offers flexibility to brew filter (coarse grind). I look forward to recommendations.

    Tommaso

  • Ascanio1
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    Good morning Leroy, and thank you for your helpful reply.

    i.
    My budget is somewhat flexible, but only for good reasons, which do NOT include brew quality. I could pay more for better or more options but, as far as quality is concerned, I am at peace with B2C quality being lower than filter coffee. For a background on this, please read this thread:
    https://coffeesnobs.com.au/forum/equ...-filter-coffee

    ii.
    The ability to grind beans for pour-over/filter coffee, is a deal breaker. Both because of space and cost, of a separate grinder.

    iii.
    I tried, and enjoyed, milk drinks from the De'Longhi Soul. The lack of a grinder suitable for (ii.) above, was a deal breaker.

    I look forward to your helpful comments, thank you in advance for your time and expertise!

    Tommaso

  • noidle22
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    The Soul does have a great grinder and can probably make the closest thing to real espresso out of any machine currently on the market or ever previously. However, it's currently too expensive and the amount of electronics is excessive.

    The best bang for buck, capable automatic machine is the DeLonghi Magnifica S. It's about $700 AUD (390 GBP) and can also make pretty good espresso once the grinder is set properly. If your machine out of the box is unable to give a very slow extraction with the grinder around 1-3, a DeLonghi service centre can recailbrate the grinder to a finer range which will give you the correct grind for espresso. DeLonghi will cover this service under warranty.

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  • FilthySudo
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    Hi there, because you speak in GBP, ideally being an Australian forum, if you can translate your budget to our currency would make it a lot easier as this is the currency we deal in (AUD). My family just bought a delonghi Eletta explore full automatic from good guys for $1700. Seems like a good machine, very easy to use, adjustable grind size, can make hot and cold drinks, you can foam cold also by the looks of how it’s setup. Another member of my family has purchased a Smeg bean to cup, these seem aesthetically pleasing and also come as a steam or no steam machine, they look like a no fuss machine and a lot smaller in size. I guess it depends what you want, but like others mentioned, this forum is mainly based around semi-auto machines(breville oracles) to manual machines, the fully auto isn’t a big hit here as you cannot control your dose size in the portafilter, full auto you just change what they call “size” most of the time. Goodluck either way

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  • LeroyC
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    I doubt there's enough, if any, forum members that own fully auto machines to be able to give you decent advice. They have generally been quite inferior to manual and semi auto machines in the past so not very popular amongst coffee snobs. It's only in the last few years that there's been improved models available, but it's still a young market. The really good ones cost a lot more than your budget, but you should be able to get a Sage Oracle for that price. It would be my pick for milk drinks and is possibly the only option that has the benefit of the separate grinding function you want. If you had a better budget I could give you lots more options, but if you're stuck around that mark then I'm afraid you're stuck with the Sage or the domestic Delonghis and Juras.

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  • Ascanio1
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    Thank you tompoland,

    Most, if not all B2C sold in Australia, are available in the UK, and vice versa. I found excellent advice in a US forum and I ended up buying a Technivorm Moccamaster KB741 that served me very well for 15 years ... in Japan!

    Coffee quality is not influenced by location as Australia or UK but, rather, by which device and which method one employs. I am sure that any Australian bought B2C will make the very same coffee also in the UK.

    And, in the rare event that the device that you recommend were not available in the UK, then I would let you know, and you could recommend the second best.

    All in all, if you want to help, or not, it's totally up to you. If you do, I will be grateful, if not, well, it is what it is!

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  • tompoland
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    You live in the UK and you post on an Australian forum requesting advice for a budget expressed in GBP. Nothing about this makes sense. You have purchase options in the UK that we don't have here and we don't spend our money in GBP.

    It makes about as much sense as me canvassing a USA based car enthusiast forum for the best car to buy in Italy in Italian lira.

    I suggest you canvas UK forums of which there are several and get relevant local advice based on a local availability. Good luck with your quest.

  • Ascanio1
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    Good afternoon, Barry,

    this new thread originates from what I found in a previous thread. There I was explained that it is impossible to obtain filter coffee from a B2C. In the previous thread I asked which B2C makes the best filter coffee while in this thread I ask which is the best B2C under £1,000.

    Since (a) these are two completely different questions, and since (b) this forum is for everyone's benefit, not only mine (or yours), I believe it to be more charitable and helpful if I post the new question in a new thread, for everyone's benefit and record later on.

    I was told that the DeLonghi Soul has an exceptionally good grinder for that price. In your opinion, which B2C is the best near that price mark?
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    And, good afternoon tompoland,

    Yes, similar conversations exist in other forums, where there was no meaningful reply or only polemics. "Smells" would not be my first choice of words as I don't think that my original post was offensive or rude, in any way. I do not believe that my question warrants, or justifies, an offensive remark as "smells".

    Regardless, we can all have a bad​ day or regret our posts, so let's start afresh, shall we? Perhaps, you would like to offer me your advice? My question is in pounds, because I live in the UK, but you can convert it in Euro or Dollars, if you so wish.
    Last edited by Javaphile; 13 October 2022, 10:08 AM. Reason: Removed personal attack

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  • tompoland
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    GBP?

    Me thinks someone is copy and pasting from a UK forum.

    Smells.

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  • Barry O'Speedwagon
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    Good luck Tommaso. If you are going to start a second thread on what is essentially the same topic as the earlier one (which was active in the last few days), you might at least provide a link to the first one to save everybody from repeating the same responses as before.

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  • Ascanio1
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    Best B2C under £1,000

    Good morning, to all,

    which is the best B2C under £1,000? After watching, and reading reviews, I am much inclined towards the DeLonghi Soul, but I am open to change my mind. These are the priorities:
    1. all-in-one operation
    2. Size (small is better)
    3. quality of coffee based drinks (*) as cappuccino or caffé'e latte

    A big, big, big plus if the beans grinder can be used, separately, to grind beans for use in a separate filter brewer. Thank you in advance for offering me your time and expertise.

    Tommaso

    (*) espresso will never be brewed, as it is NOT liked, in itself, in the household.
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