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  • gavin
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    hey doc,

    get a bz07. Its group head electrically heated, so its only 10-15 mins b4 youre good to go.

    gavin.

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  • Identity
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    my neurologist happens to have a good appreciation of coffee - hes a CS and has a unico splendor (i think) - perhaps your wife might like it as an object of desire?

    when do you need a coffee - is it when youre on call?

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  • Identity
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    Luca, will you be my manservant? IIRC youre pretty used to wearing a pinny, and can cook a wide range of delights.

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  • luca
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    Originally posted by 5E4859555C5C5F5F3A0 link=1247456883/0#0 date=1247456883
    Hi,

    Im looking to upgrade from a auto machine to a proper espresso machine but am a little concerned by some of the warm up times Ive seen mentioned on this site. One talked of 45 minutes?
      Im a doctor and so am often in a hurry or pushed for time. Am I committing myself to such long warm up times if I invest in an authentic manual espresso machine?
    If you buy a machine with an e61 group, you can reduce the warmup time quite considerably by draping a towel over it when you turn the machine on. Dont leave the towel on for longer than about 20 mins to 1/2 hr, as it can overheat the group.

    (Especially geeky readers might note that chucking a towel over the group provides yet another way to manipulate temperature on a HX; as for how useful it is ...)

    Timers, leaving it on, manservants ... also good options.

    Cheers,
    Luca

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  • ozscott
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    The pressurestat in such machines is not a heavy duty unit like in a commercial. My FAEMA is 14 years old and the pressurestat contacts still look good and its one most of the time. The diaphragm is also prone to getting stiff, but certainly on big commercials they are a dime a dozen and easy to replace (I have done mine before to close up the on and off pressure.

    The commercials are meant to take constant heat - even the group seals that suffer from constant heat are very cheap and easy to replace on a big commercial.

    Cheers

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  • Justin_Boyle
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    Originally posted by 426F6B676A060 link=1247456883/22#22 date=1247475993
    So-called prosumer machines are not really meant to be operated in this way as prolonged exposure to elevated temperatures only accelerates the deterioration of a number of component parts which can be expensed within a commercial environment but are completely out of pocket for a home user....
    what parts are you talking about. I presume you are talking about pressurestat and the element?

    I was going to respond in here but made a new topic regarding the life of the heating element.

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1247480525/0#0



    There is no such argument for the pressurestat though.

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  • ozscott
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    Doc - you can get very acceptable coffee from a Sunbeam EM6910 with 10 mins from cold. It gets a little better with longer time but not by much...all you need to is run the group with the equivalent of a double shot worth of water through the group and PF which will warm things acceptably.

    I would recommend that one for you because it is very good at turning off if you forget to do so. It also has good safety features in terms of low water etc.

    If on the other hand you are happy for a half hour warm up time say then it opens up some flasher prosumer machines I guess (at much higher purchase cost). If you are willing to work at it to get the best result, between those two stages is the Rancilio Silvia, but you would be struggling in terms of doing many milk coffees compared to the EM6910 but from accounts a sweeter shot.

    Let us know your budget and whether you are more into black coffees versus milk (not just stained with milk but textured drinks such as flat white, late etc)....and also whether you intend to do big numbers of milk coffees from time to time - eg dinner parties.

    With that sort of info we should be able to give you some more guidance.

    Cheers

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  • Dimal
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    Originally posted by 4157525243414D44444747220 link=1247456883/21#21 date=1247475425
    Originally posted by 033C3A3D2027160B2630252C490 link=1247456883/20#20 date=1247472522
    Leaving your machine on is certainly a good option.
    Might be a good option but not recommended.
    Dont think Id even go so far as to say it was good Den; its just an option in my view....

    So-called prosumer machines are not really meant to be operated in this way as prolonged exposure to elevated temperatures only accelerates the deterioration of a number of component parts which can be expensed within a commercial environment but are completely out of pocket for a home user.... :-?

    Mal.

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  • cuppacoffee
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    Originally posted by 033C3A3D2027160B2630252C490 link=1247456883/20#20 date=1247472522
    Leaving your machine on is certainly a good option.
    Might be a good option but not recommended.

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  • Justin_Boyle
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    All the HX machines out there (with the exception to mine) have a hot water spout. She can use that for an instant supply of hot water for her tea!!!

    Leaving your machine on is certainly a good option. My machine has an insulated 2l boiler(a lot of HX machines do but not all). Because of that it is quite efficient. The element comes on about 10 seconds every 2 minutes. It is 1400w and at that rate the heating element would be on for 2 hrs a day. That is 2.8 units of elec per day @ 16c or 45c per day. Of course there is the added wear and tear on the machine running 24/7 which I cant really comment on.

    JB

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  • A_M
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    Originally posted by 6076676B62626161040 link=1247456883/17#17 date=1247471721
    Haha you guys are hilarious. I am really enjoying myself here.

    Problem with the wife is that is a tea drinker so Im all alone on the espresso train. Will keep you posted
    With a good machine... She can make tea as you will have hot water on tap... So to speak.

    Or get her a nice infusion set and while you play with the areopress etc she can seep her teas.

    My wife does a great apple tea and very refreshing when cold.

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  • linnaen
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    Originally posted by 5244555950505353360 link=1247456883/17#17 date=1247471721
    Problem with the wife is that is a tea drinker so Im all alone on the espresso train.
    There is an espresso machine called the Isomac Tea - so you could pretend you were buying it for her

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  • drcoffee
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    Haha you guys are hilarious. I am really enjoying myself here.

    Problem with the wife is that is a tea drinker so Im all alone on the espresso train. Will keep you posted

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  • Justin_Boyle
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    Originally posted by 173126393E61500 link=1247456883/14#14 date=1247470756
    You could put it in your pocket, whip it out and make espresso anywhere, anytime! even during surgery!!
    has a double meaning when you consider the action required to make a shot with it. Even funnier when you look at your last post!!!! Should I quote AM and tell you to keep it G rated! ;D

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  • A_M
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    Originally posted by 3D2B3A363F3F3C3C590 link=1247456883/11#11 date=1247470371
    Hey Anger management,
    I have a cultured palate and appreciate the finer things in life (and coffee) but on the other hand Im a realist who works 70 hours a week so I dont know if Ill have the discipline to get up an hour earlier
    Unfortunately I dont have the time to be a true snob

    I am ex Government - Health...  Well, currently on 12 months extend leave with out pay and I know what the hrs can do to you... Regardless of your passion or commitment to giving back to society...

    If you like teh finer things in life... But also have to consider the Wife (who does not) and your time constraints..  

    Then you need to put forward a mini business case and define the budget and consumables ...


    Crap... Did I really say that


    1: Drop in and visit a sponsor or two...  It will provide a 500% return as to your choice of investment on long term outcomes.

    2: If we know where you based..  A senior CS member may be able to show / demonstrate what they have...

    3: Do not under sell your wifes skills...  The self esteem gained from working a piece of Bling / grinding beans (fresh aroma), frothing milk ( Late art to follow) and making a great coffee is not to be shrugged off..

    My wife can do it and when at the private practice where she works, the 3 medicos will always wait to see if she is in and has beans...  They prefer her coffee on an EM3600 to every thing else around... And two have their own...

    At a dinner party or what ever...  I am sure it would be a great time for all..


    The problem starts when she will want to build her own roaster...   ;D


    PS...  Where to you intend to get ya beans from ???

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