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Ha HA, nah mate, its OK the glass is half-full ;D, i love my machine, very happy with the purchase, just doing some testing thats all, thanks again flynn
Originally posted by 0501273E3E3B24333C520 link=1253085027/61#61 date=1253840839
Giotto Premium has a little more oooompff than the "PLUS"
Seems like you are finishing on a somewhat low note Warren. Is your glass half-empty?
You might want to go back and review this post . Yes, Chris mentioned that the thermostability-upgraded GP may have more steaming-oomph but note Renzos comments on the GPP discussion thread:
Originally posted by 072A1C012231372C2F2A430 link=1218965225/26#26 date=1221467521
- It also stood remarkably well our dinner party test: private event on Sunday in our store had the GGP alone catering for 30 coffee lovers pumping lattes in a chain,with the normal purging, not even once weve had to stop for recuperation or open full steam to speed up dry steam build up....
Sit back and enjoy your coffee in the knowledge that you have spent wisely. Dont keep looking on the other side of the fence. ;D
With a machine like this you shouldnt be pulling more then two shots (split double) before you steam. The machine should keep up if you pull a shot (split double) - steam for two cups that have just been pulled - pour the milk then pump out the next shot - steam etc.. Doing it this way wont slow you down at all and has the added benefit of your guests getting fresh shots/milk (no shots sitting around for 1-2 min). You should also steam the milk for Hot Choccies separately, unless of course someones milk drink is using a double shot base.
Hell even most three group 18+L HX machines cant run the steam wands continuously - they need recovery time (not much only a couple of seconds but it is needed none the less).
Originally posted by 7F75607777786C6A190 link=1253085027/57#57 date=1253760799
I dont think further tests are necessary. Chris is right and we should acknowledge to ourselves that we have a great domestic espresso machine that makes excellent coffee
cant argue that. This is why i still have it and have not thought of changing. Well apart from a lamarzocco GS3 along with a mazzer robur
I dont think further tests are necessary. Chris is right and we should acknowledge to ourselves that we have a great domestic espresso machine that makes excellent coffee, but preferably two at a time.
It seems it is possible to steam 500ml or even 1 litre of milk but I dont envisage having the need to prepare that much milk in one steaming and I dont think I will be pushing mine that hard.
cold water test out of the fridge
1ltr of water 2 deg and got it to just under 70 deg before i hit .5 on the gauge.
Stopped it there.
The pump did kick in but no issue with steaming power whilst the pump was going
so, i doubt id be able to take it to 80, but i never drink coffees that hot anyways.
this is with around a 5 year old giotto premium
so 500ml of cold milk should be done with ease
now its time to go make a real coffee and stop playing with water
Originally posted by 25242E3D23263C4F0 link=1253085027/48#48 date=1253746360
WSully if you managed to make all those coffees without a sweat then, as Chris suggests, there is probably nothing wrong with your machine
yeah CJ, you and chris are most likely correct, it does function well enough to complete the task, as for the temp of the jug, yes i believe it would contribute to the outcome, but the water test doesnt lie,
Originally posted by 181C3A232326392E214F0 link=1253085027/45#45 date=1253698602
Now i just attempted to steam 500ml of water (tap) in a 1lt Jg using the Giotto, the pressure dropped from 1.2(idle) to >.5 and it only got to 67C
Originally posted by 363C293E3E312523500 link=1253085027/49#49 date=1253749104
Whats the boiler size of the ECM Giotto, CJ?
A couple of things to keep in mind here guys. A Giotto Premium Plus has the same 1.8L boiler as a Giotto Premium. The internals of the Premium Plus are very different to those of the Premium (piping, restrictors, control board, wiring loom, pressurestat etc)...Neither of these are the same nor are going to perform identically as a modified Giotto pro...Seems to me the respondents to this thread have a examples of pretty much all of these machines :-?
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