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  • #16
    Re: question - Giotto PP or giotto premium?

    Hi Cafe Lover,

    We do that upgrade,

    charlie

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    • #17
      Re: question - Giotto PP or giotto premium?

      Originally posted by 424047447E4D4E574453210 link=1261350236/14#14 date=1261363578
      Is there anyone who can do thermostability modyfication in Sydney if I buy Giotto premiun?
      Depending on the state of the Premium, a thermostability upgrade may not be possible or even worthwhile.

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      • #18
        Re: question - Giotto PP or giotto premium?

        Originally posted by 5F494C4C5D5F535A5A59593C0 link=1261350236/16#16 date=1261437882
        Depending on the state of the Premium, a thermostability upgrade may not be possible or even worthwhile.
        It is 18m old but never been used I heard.  I checked and works well. I found the steam was just not enough for about 700ml.  I guess it might be the machine problem.

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        • #19
          Re: question - Giotto PP or giotto premium?

          What are best features of results of thermostability modyfication ?

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          • #20
            Re: question - Giotto PP or giotto premium?

            Originally posted by 717374774D7E7D647760120 link=1261350236/18#18 date=1261461833
            What are best features of results of thermostability modyfication ?
            Plenty of posts and threads on this ...do a search ^^^^^ over the last year or forever on the term giotto thermostability

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            • #21
              Re: question - Giotto PP or giotto premium?

              thanks. I am doing it right now.
              And Wow and great and Wow again.
              I think I need a cup right now. - Headache :-/

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              • #22
                Re: question - Giotto PP or giotto premium?

                How are you going on your choice?

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                • #23
                  Re: question - Giotto PP or giotto premium?

                  does anyone know if the ECM giotto uses alot of electricity? Sometimes i leave it on for half the day and its not in use. I turn it on, have one, leave it on just in case i want another later...

                  wondering if it eats electricity like crazy?

                  thanks in advanced.

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                  • #24
                    Re: question - Giotto PP or giotto premium?

                    Originally posted by 4C40597E425348554842210 link=1261350236/22#22 date=1263368689
                    does anyone know if the ECM giotto uses alot of electricity? Sometimes i leave it on for half the day and its not in use. I turn it on, have one, leave it on just in case i want another later...

                    wondering if it eats electricity like crazy?

                    thanks in advanced.
                    Why Max? Did you notice a change in your electricity accounts? :-?

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                    • #25
                      Re: question - Giotto PP or giotto premium?

                      Originally posted by 515D44635F4E5548555F3C0 link=1261350236/22#22 date=1263368689
                      does anyone know if the ECM giotto uses alot of electricity?
                      Also may depend on what you call "alot of electricity". Compared to a fridge, probably. Compared to a pool pump running all day, probably not...

                      If you find a way to quantify it and provide some comparisons, let us know. There would be a few interested people out there I am sure. We would then need to calculate the amount of power needed to heat the unit and boiler up from scratch to full temp, then compare that with the amount used if just left on! I can feel another can of worms opening... :-/

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                      • #26
                        Re: question - Giotto PP or giotto premium?

                        Originally posted by 0110070F03010A0B0C07620 link=1261350236/24#24 date=1263372795
                        If you find a way to quantify it and provide some comparisons, let us know.  There would be a few interested people out there I am sure.  We would then need to calculate the amount of power needed to heat the unit and boiler up from scratch to full temp, then compare that with the amount used if just left on!  I can feel another can of worms opening...  
                        This has been done before and, IIRC, the result is that idling consumption is about 100 watts per hour. After the machine is hot and the temperature has stabilised (say 45 minutes to an hour) divide the on time of an on-off cycle by the time for the whole cycle and multiply by the wattage of the machine.

                        Im sure a search will reveal previous measurements. I know there are some threads on insulating boilers that contain numbers--I dont know if the Giotto is there, but I doubt if it is much different from other similar HX machines.

                        Greg

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                        • #27
                          Re: question - Giotto PP or giotto premium?

                          I have an energy meter which Ill hook up to my GPP and will let you know. Energy consumption will vary depending on when first starting up to idling away once warmed up which I guess you would be interested in. Ambient temp will also affect the level of energy consumed.

                          Dex

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                          • #28
                            Re: question - Giotto PP or giotto premium?

                            Some quick measurements from my GPP:

                            Boiler on 1225 watts
                            Idling, no boiler 2.2 watts
                            pump on 56 watts

                            Idling for 1 hour after warming up = 0.136kW/h
                            which is equal to 3.264kW/h per day
                            at 22 cents per kW/h the machine costs 3 cents per hour to run (idling) or 71 cents per day or $278 per year

                            Ambient room temp during testing was 25.4 c

                            Dex

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                            • #29
                              Re: question - Giotto PP or giotto premium?

                              Great work Dex - very interesting.  We need to think about global warming 8-)

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                              • #30
                                Re: question - Giotto PP or giotto premium?

                                How many kg of CO2 per year???

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