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Giotto PP vs Diadema junior extra vs Isomac Mondiale
Re: Giotto PP vs Diadema junior extra vs Isomac Mondiale
Originally posted by 406D696568040 link=1269952732/18#18 date=1271938235
Well....
If my DJ "Extra" is anything to go by, it performed perfectly out of the box. I had it dialled-in after a handful of shots and its been coffee nirvana ever since; theyre a beautifully designed, engineered and manufactured piece of hardware and I wouldnt hesitate to recommend them to anyone looking to purchase this class of machine..... 8-)
Re: Giotto PP vs Diadema junior extra vs Isomac Mondiale
Where else can I go!
Do I really want a three head Hydra!
I dont have enough power coming into the house to run it!
I might look nice - bling! Definitely an over kill!
What I am saying is:
I am very happy with my Giotto. It has taken a while but it is has now made friends with the grinder (this is a delicate relationship and cant be rushed). I think most if not all of the units mentioned this thread are great ---- But the choice of which of these excellent units is only the first small (tiny) step. The real work starts getting it together when you get whatever you get.
For me it has been quite a journey but now it has come together only recently.
Re: Giotto PP vs Diadema junior extra vs Isomac Mondiale
Originally posted by 564155545A320 link=1269952732/19#19 date=1272796400
Ill give a big +1 to that Mal. I opted for the DJE over the Giotto pretty much because I preferred the steam knobs of the DJE and we do plenty of milk based drinks at home. The drip tray is certainly very good volume wise, although to be honest I think it needs to stick out a few cm further so that my cup sits happily on the grate rather than partly on the solid edge of the tray. Really the most minor of issues.
It probably comes down to an overall dimensional problem I guess.
In our case, I wouldnt like the machine to be any deeper than it is as that would put the front edge of the drip-tray right up level with the edge of the bench and create possible bump issues. But like you say, its a very minor thing really and if youre careful, theres no need to position cups so that they sit beyond the grate section and risk scratching the solid edge.
Im very, very happy with my Extra and have no reservations about making this choice.... 8-)
Re: Giotto PP vs Diadema junior extra vs Isomac Mondiale
Ill give a big +1 to that Mal. I opted for the DJE over the Giotto pretty much because I preferred the steam knobs of the DJE and we do plenty of milk based drinks at home. The drip tray is certainly very good volume wise, although to be honest I think it needs to stick out a few cm further so that my cup sits happily on the grate rather than partly on the solid edge of the tray. Really the most minor of issues.
Re: Giotto PP vs Diadema junior extra vs Isomac Mondiale
Well....
If my DJ "Extra" is anything to go by, it performed perfectly out of the box. I had it dialled-in after a handful of shots and its been coffee nirvana ever since; theyre a beautifully designed, engineered and manufactured piece of hardware and I wouldnt hesitate to recommend them to anyone looking to purchase this class of machine..... 8-)
Re: Giotto PP vs Diadema junior extra vs Isomac Mondiale
Just to clarify a touch there, the DJE is superb out of the box, as Attilio and Mal will agree. The GPP is also right- out of the box.
With all these machines, only a bench test and inspection is required as like many other machines, thermosyphon restrictors are fitted. We check for dings, faults and leaks and then check boiler pressure and pressure at the group. In very few cases is anything more required.
Some machines can be tweeked for better performance, but in most cases, its not essential...I suspect AM may have confused a "tweaked Giotto" with the modifications we installed on some older Giotto premium machines.
That said, there are some absolute dud brands where no amount of tweekage will turn them into diamonds. You wont find them in the ranges of CosmoreX nor Talk Coffee.
Re: Giotto PP vs Diadema junior extra vs Isomac Mondiale
Um yeah.....well actually no....cant let this one get away without comment...re comment above and below, that the Giotto has been tweeked and the others were only just out of the box......
Roger has been trialling one of our Diadema Junior Extra (DJE if you like) machines.
All the Diadema machines we import are already tweaked before they come out of the box . Its what we call our "signature specification".....we have them put together on the production line to perform the way we want. This is the result of collaboration between manufacturer and roaster / importer during a 10 year association.
So, if it runs straight out of the box, then it doesnt need to be further teaked...it is already set up the way we want.
Hope this helps.
Regardz,
Attilio
very first CS site sponor.
Originally posted by 47686163744B67686761636B636872060 link=1269952732/14#14 date=1270952811
Originally posted by 6D656A6C643E3B0F0 link=1269952732/13#13 date=1270946483
AM, how did the different machines perform?
We were drinking from mine and the giotto if I remember correctly.
Mine did ok.. The Giotto has been tweeked and the others were only just out of the box.
Personal prefrence as to looks...
Would need to spend time on the machines and a supply of beans to realy comment as to which gives a better cup etc. A number of variables have to be considered.
From a looks view, they all have a great finish and edges either folder and or buffed etc. None of those raw edges you get on a number of machines.
Did have issues with the internal tank and hence my comment.
A few cs people need to get down there and plan a few hrs to realy make and hard calls...
Re: Giotto PP vs Diadema junior extra vs Isomac Mondiale
I went to Rogers place (SupremeRoaster) yesterday. My first intension was just to get a bag of beans and go home but I ended up stay there for nearly 2hr...
Weve had an educated conversation (for me since Im totally new in coffee) and of course some coffee from his Giotto. I learnt a lot in one day!
When Im about to go home, Roger gave me 1kg of beans as part of the deal that he mentioned above (which I did not know before I go there) Thank you again Roger ;D
I strongly recommend any local CSer to drop in if you have a chance, totally worth my time.
Re: Giotto PP vs Diadema junior extra vs Isomac Mondiale
Originally posted by 6D656A6C643E3B0F0 link=1269952732/13#13 date=1270946483
AM, how did the different machines perform?
We were drinking from mine and the giotto if I remember correctly.
Mine did ok.. The Giotto has been tweeked and the others were only just out of the box.
Personal prefrence as to looks...
Would need to spend time on the machines and a supply of beans to realy comment as to which gives a better cup etc. A number of variables have to be considered.
From a looks view, they all have a great finish and edges either folder and or buffed etc. None of those raw edges you get on a number of machines.
Did have issues with the internal tank and hence my comment.
A few cs people need to get down there and plan a few hrs to realy make and hard calls...
Re: Giotto PP vs Diadema junior extra vs Isomac Mondiale
Managed to get down and see Rodger this afternoon..
I can recommend to any CSér that if ya in the area... Drop in and have a chat.
Roger is very passionate about his efforts and knows his stuff.
We must have sampled about 12 different beans and I had both black and milk based - often of the same bean... The difference in some were amazing / amusing
What was good was that Roger did not give any thing away, until after I had sampled and made my comments / call on that SO or blend.
It was also good to just watch him work and to have a look at a couple of the new machines he has in stock.... Note: If I dosed like that at home.. NEVER allowed back in the kitchen... EVER.
Still LOL as to the diverse roasting set up... 50g to 15kg.... Rodger will understand and so will any one else that drops in.
Rogers partner had to put up with us and I think she would have had a hard time putting any cupping notes / comments down on paper.. The descriptors went from formal terms to those about a particular time / place, as for a couple of cups; it was like being transported back in time and to a different place.
So thank you Roger... Enjoyed the afternoon and will catch up soon.
AM.
PS. Still think the 24-Hour Urine Collection Bottles that QML use; would be a better internal water tank
Re: Giotto PP vs Diadema junior extra vs Isomac Mondiale
Originally posted by 7C4C5759564A5B4C6D575A5B3E0 link=1269952732/10#10 date=1270697513
If anyone from Brisbane/Gold Coast is interested in trailing out the Diadema Junior Extra in the the flesh we currently have one sitting on our bench for testing. We also have a variety of machines to test alongside and can honestly say initial tests show great results out of the box!
In fact just to cover the cost of your fuel for the trip and give you that extra incentive to see the Only Display Diadema in Queensland well throw in free 1 Kilo of coffee to the first 5 people that make an appointment to see our newest bench addition... the Diadema Junior Plus Extra
I will see about getting down there ASAP and you can have my unit as another example of a great machine..
But I will forgo the 1kg... Not because of the beans; but to give another person the chance.
Re: Giotto PP vs Diadema junior extra vs Isomac Mondiale
If anyone from Brisbane/Gold Coast is interested in trailing out the Diadema Junior Extra in the the flesh we currently have one sitting on our bench for testing. We also have a variety of machines to test alongside and can honestly say initial tests show great results out of the box!
In fact just to cover the cost of your fuel for the trip and give you that extra incentive to see the Only Display Diadema in Queensland well throw in free 1 Kilo of coffee to the first 5 people that make an appointment to see our newest bench addition... the Diadema Junior Plus Extra
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