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  • iaindb
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    Re: Advice for Inspecting Boema at Auction tomorrow

    Originally posted by 4B7F687E65524E626B6B68680D0 link=1274333836/45#45 date=1274572853
    tap tap tap......

    ...the grinder for $105.00 ?????........an absolute steal!

    Even if the other fellow had gone to his budgeted 200 and you went to 250, it would still have been a bargain and even at 300 it would have been a very fair price when you consider (as I have tried to show above), the cost of new replacement VS what new grinders you get for a similar price ie the relative values.
    I understand what you said about the "value" of the Bo-Ema, but $200 plus was just the wrong amount of money at the time for something that was just too big. Even if I end up spending more later, Ill have the chance to investigate more and save more.

    But of course it has to suit your situation and be what you really want.

    If size is important, I can sell you a new Eureka Mignon on special at the moment. It has 50 mm grinding plates (same as Rancilio Rocky which is a very well  thought of world renowned grinder), but with a far far superior method of adjustment (continuous worm "stepless")  than that of the Rocky.  But even at CS special offer it will cost way in excess of the above. They landed in the container last week. If I can help please let me know.
    It seems to be protocol to discuss prices and such by pm, so Ill send you one

    Good luck in your search.

    A.
    thanks.

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  • Fresh_Coffee
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    tap tap tap......

    ...the grinder for $105.00 ?????........an absolute steal!

    Even if the other fellow had gone to his budgeted 200 and you went to 250, it would still have been a bargain and even at 300 it would have been a very fair price when you consider (as I have tried to show above), the cost of new replacement VS what new grinders you get for a similar price ie the relative values.

    But of course it has to suit your situation and be what you really want.

    If size is important, I can sell you a new Eureka Mignon on special at the moment. It has 50 mm grinding plates (same as Rancilio Rocky which is a very well thought of world renowned grinder), but with a far far superior method of adjustment (continuous worm "stepless") than that of the Rocky. But even at CS special offer it will cost way in excess of the above. They landed in the container last week. If I can help please let me know.

    Good luck in your search.

    A.

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  • TC
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    Re: Advice for Inspecting Boema at Auction tomorrow

    Originally posted by 4942404F425148425650230 link=1274333836/43#43 date=1274522275
    Actually the service tech said it was pretty normal for an original. He did say the Premium Plus was much better.
    Yes- If it was a Giotto Classic (round gauge), the steam was pretty underwhelming and there is not much which can be done- short of a valve transplant which would be really tricky. Its asthmatic in comparison to later Giottos.

    A well set up Giotto Premium or Premium plus is every bit the measure of a boema on shot quality. Both have far better steam than the Giotto Classic. The GP/GPP wand remains the best wand I have ever used and perfect microfoam is simple.

    That said, if there is space for a commercial and you can look at it every day, go for it...

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  • jaclarkaus
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    Re: Advice for Inspecting Boema at Auction tomorrow

    Originally posted by 73706363747D110 link=1274333836/42#42 date=1274519122
    There are bad examples of anything on the planet, sometimes you just get a lemon.  The key is, a good supplier will always be there to look after you.  

    Not knocking the Bo-ema as such but if you lined up a thousand units of each the Bo-ema and the Giotto for home use, it is my personal opinion the the Giotto might come away with the win.
    Actually the service tech said it was pretty normal for an original. He did say the Premium Plus was much better.

    My point being, the Bo-Ema and other commercial units are in a different class, despite the smaller units getting better all the time, their major advantage remains size.

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  • barrel
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    There are bad examples of anything on the planet, sometimes you just get a lemon. The key is, a good supplier will always be there to look after you.

    Not knocking the Bo-ema as such but if you lined up a thousand units of each the Bo-ema and the Giotto for home use, it is my personal opinion the the Giotto might come away with the win.

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  • jaclarkaus
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    Re: Advice for Inspecting Boema at Auction tomorrow

    [QUOTE=5A6F6265514D6168686B6B0E0 link=1274333836/12#12 date=1274387884]
    Originally posted by 2A21232C21322B213533400 link=1274333836/11#11 date=1274386314
    Originally posted by 5952505F524158524640330 link=1274333836/11#11 date=1274386314
    A mate bought a Giotto at the same time on the grounds that it looked better and still hasnt got a decent cup out of it.
    Clearly, your mate needs to adjust the nut on the group handle :
    Ah yes, the sense of humor of a suplier ...

    Actually the THING WAS adjusted by the importer a couple of times early in the piece, and never good, and fully services again recently, along with a new element, big service, descale, several hundred dollars ...... by the importer - and the stream power is still cr@p.

    Pump just dropped its guts and its back there. They said they can put upgraded parts to make it better ...

    Their solution of un-reliable sigle shot extractions? "Oh, we just use the double filter ..."

    The Bo-ema I bought is still great ... but then you probably dont sell them ...

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  • Thundergod
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    Re: Advice for Inspecting Boema at Auction tomorrow

    Originally posted by 717971767C7A180 link=1274333836/35#35 date=1274492086
    The grinder went for $105, and the machine went for $100.

    Yes I was bidding on the grinder, but the other guy _really_ wanted it.I chatted to him later & he would have gone to $200 or more.Still cheap, but I cant really justify the size and cost at this stage
    Still cheap at $205

    Size and WAP will come into the equation with a GR.
    I have a conical one at home but its too big even for my kitchen.
    Without the hopper its as tall as my Macap.

    Now you have an idea of auction prices and how lucky or not you can be depending on who else is bidding.

    I got my GR for $300 because no one else was bidding for it on the day.

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  • iaindb
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    Re: Advice for Inspecting Boema at Auction tomorrow

    Originally posted by 5A5D48474A290 link=1274333836/37#37 date=1274503036
    Maybe he also read this thread ;D
    I thought of that, but I dont think so - I was considering removing any location details...

    Originally posted by 5C737A786F507C737C7A78707873691D0 link=1274333836/38#38 date=1274504600
    Showing a Community spirit..  Pay it forward... Why purchase or push another for no good reason..  Now it it was your stuff being auctioned... Another matter  ;D
    Yes, both would have been great at $100, but like you said - if I kept bidding, he would have kept bidding, and both would have been more.  It only takes one other buyer to push the price right up.  (I wish he wasnt there, but oh well, thats life!)

    I didnt see the point on bidding on the machine - if I cant use it he may as well have it for as low as it goes.  A few earlier bids were lumped together, so he actually got the machine, a small TV, dictionary on CD, and aDSL modem all for $100!  woot!

    That machine at $100 was my target ..  Procon pump 2 or more group handles / baskets and 3 or 4 big SS jugs etc.. Let alone all the copper pipes and valvs / solenoids etc etc etc..  BUT worth NOTHINg if you can not use  
    You wanted it?  I was hinting at bidding for someone else on CS and sending it to them.  A bit short notice though  And I have less than 50 posts so you dont know who I am yet

    A... Might have paid the $200 and the shipping ???... But maybe you have met another CS in the making.. A local contact if in need...
    He didnt look the talkative type, but who knows?  My experience in Darwin is that people are grouped into two categories:
    • The first group dont understand what a good coffee is and dont believe you when you say a better grinder or fresher beans will make a better coffee.  They think anyone can make an espresso on any machine, given a few seconds to learn.
    • Those that do know about quality machines and making coffee dont seem too interested in talking about it - perhaps they think Im in the first group and dont want to explain everything to me. I havent yet met one person, in person, who appreciates fresh beans, quality grinding, and proper brewing :-?

    Anyhoo, after that let down, Im going to make a "wanted to buy" post.  I think Ill start with the grinder, as thats probably cheapest, and then get the machine in a few months.

    Thanks for the help. Iain.

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  • A_M
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    Re: Advice for Inspecting Boema at Auction tomorrow

    Originally posted by 5A5D48474A290 link=1274333836/37#37 date=1274503036
    Originally posted by 4941494E4442200 link=1274333836/35#35 date=1274492086
    The grinder went for $105, and the machine went for $100.

    Yes I was bidding on the grinder, but the other guy _really_ wanted it.I chatted to him later & he would have gone to $200 or more.Still cheap, but I cant really justify the size and cost at this stage  
    Maybe he also read this thread ;D
    Anyway, he picked up a bargain.
    The machine was a steal, even if just for spare parts.
    Showing a Community spirit.. Pay it forward... Why purchase or push another for no good reason.. Now it it was your stuff being auctioned... Another matter ;D

    That machine at $100 was my target .. Procon pump 2 or more group handles / baskets and 3 or 4 big SS jugs etc.. Let alone all teh copper pipes and valvs / solenoids etc etc etc.. BUT worth NOTHINg if you can not use


    Just what I was looking for. Cut teh boiler in half and have the scaled / dirty section mounted on teh wall; just like a trophy ;D

    A... Might have paid teh $200 and the shipping ???... But maybe you have met another CS in teh making.. A local contact if in need...

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  • Bosco_Lever
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    Re: Advice for Inspecting Boema at Auction tomorrow

    Originally posted by 4941494E4442200 link=1274333836/35#35 date=1274492086
    The grinder went for $105, and the machine went for $100.

    Yes I was bidding on the grinder, but the other guy _really_ wanted it.I chatted to him later & he would have gone to $200 or more.Still cheap, but I cant really justify the size and cost at this stage
    Maybe he also read this thread ;D
    Anyway, he picked up a bargain.
    The machine was a steal, even if just for spare parts.

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  • beanflying
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    Cheap A couple of the 2 group Z9s I picked up a year or so ago to play with were around that price too from evilbay plus some freight.

    You had better send Attilio an email too when you are up to buying, after the novels he has posted I know he did have some second hand ones for sale a while back.

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  • iaindb
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    OH. MY. GOSH.

    The grinder went for $105, and the machine went for $100.  

    Yes I was bidding on the grinder, but the other guy _really_ wanted it.  I chatted to him later & he would have gone to $200 or more.  Still cheap, but I cant really justify the size and cost at this stage

    The doser also looked a bit faulty, and there was some resin on the base holding together a crack...  At least Im telling myself these are good reasons to let it go!

    Well thanks a million for the advice - Ill definitely be saving at tax time to get a good second hand machine & grinder, and Ill stop by here first

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  • Fresh_Coffee
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    Gday L,

    yep, there is no doubt that a new looking grinder makes a tired looking grinder look really really bad....

    In any case it will be interesting to note that an SJ with worn plates screams as loud and as high pitched as a GR with worn plates....which is a terrible thing to hear.

    Trouble is, in cafe situations where there is lots of other noise, and where the operators live with the same grinder day in and day out so are used to level & pitch of noise, they dont notice it growing in volume over time to a point where it it ear piercing.

    This is usually an indication that the plates are shot and need to be replaced. You replace them and all of a sudden everyone notices how much quieter it is.

    But over time the volume and pitch increases again slowly.

    This will never happen in home use because the through put of coffee simply is not the same. For example, a cafe using say 10 kilos a week has done 400 kilos in 40 weeks or less than a year. A high use household using 1 kilo a week  will take 400 weeks or roughly 7.5 years to get to the same point where someone needs to wonder about changing the plates.

    If a grinder screams....its an indication of wear on the plates and as has been noted, it is then not a fair comparison to compare an SJ with good plates to a GR with older plates.

    Otherwise it should be almost impossible to tell the difference in quality of grinds as translated into the cup.

    I will repeat, an SJ with worn plates is just as loud as a GR with worn plates. And both brands fare just as badly under the care of unsympathetic operators, and just as well under the care of sympathetic operators.

    So it is unfair to at Carte Blanche (as happens in internet forums) , label Mazzer grinders as somehow posessing iconic attributes and to be something to strive for,  and to label many other good name grinders as somehow being of lesser quality.  

    When they are operated by sympathetic people, and when the correct models are specified for any give situation, then in fact most cafe spec grinders of indeterminate brand, will do a marvellous job because after that, it always comes down to the operator.

    And of course, most grinder problems are caused by some one underspecifying the model for the situation. And then someone not knowing how to manage the grinder in the work situation. This is not the brands fault.

    Which means in home use.......?


    Regardz,
    Attilio.


    This is not an anti Mazzer thing, it is a "realistically fellas, whats so  wrong with the others" thing.

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  • maheel
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    Originally posted by 6C584F59427569454C4C4F4F2A0 link=1274333836/30#30 date=1274445869
    hehehe....you blokes are killing me.......

    Regardz,
    A.
    .
    lol, 95 % of the reason I reckon the mazzer is better is ITs NEWER !!! Bling bling !!! i prefer its looks as well

    but also the burrs were / are near new on my MAz where the GR i had were no where near new. It is also quieter than the GR i had, and the less noise makes me think it was faster but may not really have been....

    that GR was older so i am not comparing them on like for like.....

    there is just a fair price diff in 2nd hand GR to MAZ

    Love your work Attilio, you bring a clear head to this forum often

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  • iaindb
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    Originally posted by 6C584F59427569454C4C4F4F2A0 link=1274333836/30#30 date=1274445869
    hehehe....you blokes are killing me.......
    ...
    If you blokes doesnt go to the aucstion and buy that GR.....I will!
    Point taken  I have a tendency to ask lots of questions.

    I should stop making noise now - theres probably not much more Ill learn until the hammer has fallen, so the next post from me will be after that

    thanks again & good night all - this place is invaluable!

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