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  • #16
    Re: Looking for an upgrade of espresso machine

    Originally posted by 3F3605393B283433393F28355A0 link=1302600697/14#14 date=1307711375
    There are two questions:
    1/ how much importance really has e-61 group  for quality espresso shot?
    2/ from pure espresso shot aspect which type of maschine single boiler/HX is easier for using?

    thx in advance guys.
    My personal opinion is,

    1/ Almost no importance, there are other groups as good or better than an e-61. The fact a machine had a different design group on it has never stopped me owning one.

    2/ I dont believe you will see any difference once either type is dialled in and you have learnt to get the best from it.

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    • #17
      Re: Looking for an upgrade of espresso machine

      I agree with "galumay"... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

      Reputable espresso machine manufacturers design their machines from the ground up where all operational aspects are considered, especially everything within the hydraulic circuit, which includes the Group Head...

      Whether a machine uses an E-61 Group or not is inconsequential if the rest of the machine hasnt received adequate engineering analysis. Go with a machine that has an industry reputation for performance in all the criteria that you consider important, learn how to drive it properly, use freshly roasted beans and then simply enjoy the coffee..... Perfect. 8-)

      Mal.

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      • #18
        Re: Looking for an upgrade of espresso machine

        I have a machine with an E61 (expobar), and one without (rancilio). The biggest bonus I find with the E61 is that it heats up quicker, besides the expobar e61 having a boiler 1/2 the size of the rancilio epoca, the rancilio depends upon heat transfter from the boilers brass connection, the e61 uses hot water via the thermosyphon, which is quicker than conduction like on the rancilio. Bezzera have easily replaced electric elements in some of their prosumer range groupheads. Parts for e61 are also very easy to get ...... they all pull great shots when upto temp, the e61 is at temp quicker. Reasonable grinder and FRESH coffee make the biggest difference ...... after market pid .... expensive, they need to make money on just the pid, whereas people who make machines make money on the overall machine .....

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        • #19
          Re: Looking for an upgrade of espresso machine

          there are 2contenders left in superfinals to pair my newcomer K-10- expobar office leva dual boiler /pid and izzo vivi pid. not so sure what to pick. both machines seems nice.I believe that Expobar stays in shadow of famous italian machinebuilt companies as well as Compak to Mazzer/Macaps and that should explain a quite price difference. or I am wrong :-?

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          • #20
            Re: Looking for an upgrade of espresso machine

            I like the Vivi el c- but then I should as if I didnt, I wouldnt import it!

            I found that a heap of Scace work was required to turn it into a great machine, so you would need to check that your dealer is capable of doing that work- or you will find a huge cooling flush and a machine which is not pleasant to use. The ewetoobe attached shows an example of before and the machine is a long way from perfect IMHO. We have no cooling flush after our testing and mods. The K3T or anything better would be a good match.
            [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuw0Eu6Qy20[/media]

            Chris

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            • #21
              Re: Looking for an upgrade of espresso machine

              Hi,
              I will back up what Chris says. Ive had a Vivi from Den at Cuppacoffee via Chris for three weeks. Works a treat. No cooling flush, just great coffee. A fantastic machine, looks great in the kitchen as well.
              Pete

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              • #22
                Re: Looking for an upgrade of espresso machine

                Originally posted by 44545843545F4E060E0206370 link=1302600697/20#20 date=1308279809
                Hi,
                I will back up what Chris says. Ive had a Vivi from Den at Cuppacoffee via Chris for three weeks. Works a treat. No cooling flush, just great coffee. A fantastic machine, looks great in the kitchen as well.
                Pete
                Thanks Pete!

                Itd be terrific if you could post some footage of yours someday. It would make a great comparison

                Glad youre enjoying your machine.

                Chris

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                • #23
                  Re: Looking for an upgrade of espresso machine

                  thx, chris for your kind help.
                  Im a little bit confused as under cod name of Izzo Vivi MKII Ive found it to be HX machine and at other place to be single boiler m. Another problem is that here at my local market there is nothing actually for home users, gaggia mdf and baby are top available here, so its hard to make some modifications with dealer based in germany or england. Otherwise Diadema Perfetta or Quickmill Eliana/Alexia with PID added would be my pick.
                  Thats why Im forced to take already "assembled" configuration of machines.
                  Expobar Leva and Vivi Izzo are in the same price range (+50eur Vivi) at the same brits dealer.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Looking for an upgrade of espresso machine

                    Hi el c.

                    The Vivi is a HX PID

                    Cheers

                    Chris

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                    • #25
                      Re: Looking for an upgrade of espresso machine

                      my search seems to come to the end. order has been placed for Expobar 2boiler/PID. 4th version. It takes just to wait couple of weeks. Machine arrives directly from Crem factory in Valencia/Spain.
                      Sales support was great as well as the final price as like as for wholesaler.
                      Im just hopping for safe and pleasant journey for my machine.
                      Hardly can wait to put hands on it and to pair it with my K-10, my spanish armada

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