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  • #16
    Re: Vibiemme Domobar Super?

    Matt:  If youre in Auckland, head into *****, as they distribute the Vibiemme Machines, and the owner is pretty good about letting you have a good play with the machine before purchasing one.  

    On the  reliability, never heard any complaints or problems with them.  In NZ, theyre pretty well supported, and very easy to get parts for.  

    Giotto vs. VDS...  gimme the VDS any day...   *seriously* wouldnt bother with the SS side panels tho, theyre easily purchased at a later date if you decide to display the unit on the coffee table in the middle of your lounge.. :P

    *This and previous posts in this thread edited by mods- Members please keep in mind that sponsors pay to keep CS alive and to have sales access to you. We would appreciate if you can support them. Andy is very easy to find if any of the suppliers mentioned would like to be sponsors ..

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    • #17
      Re: Vibiemme Domobar Super?

      I hope that you are going to go back through all previous threads and delete any mention of other machines which sponsors dont sell also. </sarcasm>

      Chris, I respect you support the forum, but were talking about a product you (nor any other sponsor) dont even sell, and in a market you dont distribute into (though Im aware you can sell into).

      Banning discussion of competing products is not the way to gain support, or encourage open and honest discussion. On the other hand, convincing me why you dont deal this product (for example) would.

      Drew, I will PM you to discuss...

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      • #18
        Re: Vibiemme Domobar Super?

        I see my posts mentioning the Australian distributors of VBM stuff have also been censored...

        There is a thin line between defending the legitimate interests of the forum and censorship, and in my opinion, these actions crossed it. It is not like I was mentioning the name of a competing supplier and saying Dont buy from the forum sponsor because xxxx has it cheaper. No forum sponsor stocks the model in question...

        Therefore 2muchcoffeeman, is discussion on the availability of machines henceforth to be limited to models sold by sponsors? If so, this not the sort of forum I want to hang around.

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        • #19
          Re: Vibiemme Domobar Super?

          Very good points, Samuel and Matt- however, the conversation regarding the Vibiemme is valid whether the non-sponsor supplier is mentioned or not. They appear to be good machines but the knowledge base for them here is thin. Most members realise that Google is their friend and there is no difficulty in finding suppliers and making value judgements about any machinery. This includes where to spend their hard-earned readdies regardless of whether the brand is provided by sponsors or not.

          Multiple references to non-sponsors may also be interpreted as overstepping a thin line and becoming a direct and commercial plug and that is not appropriate.... As previously mentioned, Coffeesnobs would not exist without the support of 16 suppliers who generously donate time, expertise, product and resources- but most of them baulk at providing subsidised advertising for other retailers...The mods think a little support for those suppliers is reasonable and Andy welcomes appropriate new sponsors.

          In the meantime, lets steer the thread back on course. The way to evaluate a Vibiemme would be to run it against a known e-61 machine and do a blind comparo....Any volunteers?

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          • #20
            Re: Vibiemme Domobar Super?

            AARGGH!!!

            Okay... let me put an end to this... I did NOT intend to stand on anyones toes/feelings... It was an honest mistake based on Matt being in NZ, and our sponsors/suppliers being in Australia.

            Nothing more or less. Not an intended plug (although I can see how it might be interpreted that way).

            For all those wondering, my Jura was purchased from Gilkatho, who I would happily purchase from again, as theyre great to deal with (yes, this is a plug :P)

            Now... can we cut the snarking, and get back to the coffee? My caffeine-stream is getting a little clogged with blood!

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            • #21
              Re: Vibiemme Domobar Super?

              Id just like to add my support to what Chris has said [smiley=thumbsup.gif].

              All of us enjoy enthusiastic discussion and comparisons between one machine and another regardless of who sells it and whether or not a sponsor is one of the retailers for said machines. It only becomes a problem when members start to plug retailers who are not helping to sponsor CS and therefore keep our great little coffee community alive. We have an obligation to support those people who are footing the bills to keep this site running, namely, our sponsors.

              So, its simple really..... If you enjoy access to one of the best coffee forums in the world, then DONT provide free plugs for non-sponsors. Dont know how much more simple it can be stated :-?

              Mal.

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              • #22
                Re: Vibiemme Domobar Super?

                Originally posted by Nemo link=1175237291/15#21 date=1175996093
                Just new to this forum and looking for a Perth supplier of the Vibiemme Domobar Super. I notice in previous posts that all reference to suppliers and URLs were deleted. Can anyone be more specific about who is a local distributor or retailer. Ciao
                Nemo,

                Hi and welcome to CoffeeSnobs...

                Firstly the links were removed in line with the site rules - only the site sponsors products can (and should) be promoted.

                But more importantly, as I recall they were NZ sites. The machine is almost unknown here (especially in WA - where I live as well).... Support would be a nightmare.

                There are other equally good, even better machines which the site sponsor sell - and even though they are "over east" they provide excellent support for us in the West....

                I suggest you give them a try.

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                • #23
                  Re: Vibiemme Domobar Super?

                  Interesting discussion.

                  The domobar super is actually not unknown here, I have read other posts in this forum (use search option), and have some experiences of my own so I will respectfully disagree with someone above.....should I be given a direct choice between a domobar super and giotto, Id take the giotto every time.

                  And in that case there are other machines sold by site sponsors here that I think compare very very well with the giotto, which then broadens the discussion somewhat to include other models.

                  And as we are really only dealing in personal opinions, I may as well continue and say that if I were given the choice of a domobar super, the giotto and some other machines sold by site sponsors here, the domobar super would be equal last with one other model both of which I personally, simply wouldnt take home.

                  The long and the short of this, all these are really only personal opinions that are influenced by the good and the bad experiences that people have had with their their own machines in the past so, am afraid that in the end you have to take this into consideration, and choose your own poison hehe!

                  Id suggest going with a brand and model of machine that is well supported by a good trader in your own area.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Vibiemme Domobar Super?

                    Originally posted by Curmudgeon link=1175237291/15#22 date=1176294529
                    Id suggest going with a brand and model of machine that is well supported by a good trader in your own area.
                    For me, at the present time that would be either a VBM or a La Scala.

                    Can you please elaborate on why you dont like the VBM? Performance? reliability? support? aesthetics? etc...

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                    • #25
                      Re: Vibiemme Domobar Super?

                      Originally posted by Matt King link=1175237291/15#23 date=1176354689
                      Can you please elaborate on why you dont like the VBM? Performance? reliability? support? aesthetics? etc...
                      My personal experience & opinion in reply to your question.  Performance fine but, very noisy/vibratory, with very rudimentary standard of design and build resulting in poor reliability with substandard level of support. Cheaper in price than other machines but, considering the previous statement together with the appalling aesthetics in total, my wife is happy for me to spend more as she has to live with the equipment in her kitchen long term (so it needs to look much better), and Im happy to spend more if it translates to long and trouble free service over time.

                      The other machine you were comparing to is also rudimentary under the bonnet but streets ahead of it in reliability and looks and therefore (in my opinion) worth the extra dollars. And that (as mentioned in my previous reply) places you in a position to look at the other machines sometimes written about in these pages, that compete head to head with the better of the 2 machines you mentioned, on an equal or better (in my opinion) basis.

                      Err, did I mention this is only my opinion?

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                      • #26
                        Re: Vibiemme Domobar Super?

                        All considered opinions are most welcome

                        Mal.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Vibiemme Domobar Super?


                          It also might be worth finding out if there have been any changes in their manufacture. The latest incarnation may well be a very different beastie compared to some previous incarnation. So that may temper some opinions.

                          I guess the best advice is to try and compare before you buy.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Vibiemme Domobar Super?

                            [QUOTE=Curmudgeon link=1175237291/15#24 date=1176379797]
                            Originally posted by Matt King link=1175237291/15#23 date=1176354689
                            ...considering the previous statement together with the appalling aesthetics in total, my wife is happy for me to spend more as she has to live with the equipment in her kitchen long term (so it needs to look much better)...
                            hehe, my wife prefers the aesthetics of the VBM over the ECM... horses for courses. Thanks for the additional info.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Vibiemme Domobar Super?

                              The VBM certainly looks like a great machine. Make sure you measure the dimensions of the machine before bringing it home. It is longer than the Giotto (and Expobar) so may not fit on your counter (it wouldnt fit on mine!).

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                              • #30
                                Re: Vibiemme Domobar Super?

                                Originally posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1175237291/15#18 date=1175667619
                                The way to evaluate a Vibiemme would be to run it against a known e-61 machine and do a blind comparo....Any volunteers?
                                Hey Chris, now that I see youre dealing these, how about volunteering? 8-)

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