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  • Expobar Minore II Milk Texturing/Frothing Help

    Hey all,

    Not sure if this is meant to go in the other Milk thread or here, so feel free to move it mods.

    So Ive had my Minore since December last year now, getting deadly shots on it on a very regular basis, and not being a milk drinker I dont do it very often. On the times i do, for guests etc, I am very hit and miss. Even as I try the, seemingly, same technique twice, I get two different outcomes. My usual negetive outcome is too many small bubbles (not micro), on top and not a consistent silkiness all the way through, but hot watery milk. I know it is possible to get it good, I just dont seem to replicate it as often as I would like. Ive used other machines (commercial, and cheaper domestic) and I have better outcomes, more consistently. I have the no-burn steam wand, same as on the current Giottos with the 2-hole tip.

    I know there are a few of you out there who have these - so what are your secrets? The most helpful thing for me would be a vid and/or pics of angles you use, temp, timing etc. Size of jugs is helpful too. I get better results with the 600ml just. Smaller 300ml is v. touchy.

    Steam pressure is great on the machine so its a technique thing.

    Ive recently been working on how to orientate the 2 holes in relation to the jug. I get more of a whirlpool than a folding, maybe thats part of it.

    Cheers,
    YeeZa :-?

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    Re: Expobar Minore II Milk Texturing/Frothing Help

    I put the cool touch wand on my Leva because I thought it would help (hole configuration) with my texturing.

    Theres no substitute for practise. When I was 10 hours straight on the Minore at last years Aroma Fest I was pretty bloody good by the end of the day.

    If you get hot thin milk there arent enough bubbles.

    I use the 300ml jug 99% of the time.
    Fill to a few mm under the spout mark.
    Sink the wand to one side to get a whirlpool happening then break the surface to get the "ch ch" happening.
    Youll see when the milk has increased in volume and then wand back in to finish heating.

    Im no expert either yet but I think the amount of increased volume makes a difference. Having enough time left to mix this with the rest of the milk by whirlpooling or folding before its hot enough is my gut feel on what makes the difference between thin/perfect/thick milk.

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    • #3
      Re: Expobar Minore II Milk Texturing/Frothing Help

      Much the same as TG with my method.
      I also use the 300ml jug most often, but am equally comfortable with the 600ml these days.

      My main advice would simply be "no major movements".
      The difference in positions for stretching and heating and a good vortex are minimal.

      With the 300ml jug, the stretching is all done inside 10 seconds (for me anyway). Once complete, I then try to get the vortex going at a good rate for the remainder of the steam.

      I have had good results with folding as well as whirlpool.

      Perhaps try with just water to see where the best position for the vortex is for you.

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      • #4
        Re: Expobar Minore II Milk Texturing/Frothing Help

        Thanks guys, I knew I could count on both you two making an apearance . Ill give those both a try. I know when it comes down to it, its just practice, practice, practice. Ill keep working on the 300ml and just stick to that for a while.

        You guys always have the steam at full blast even with the 300?

        Ive tried it with the jug of water instead, but like I said, I feel Im doing the right thing, and sometimes I get it and other times I dont. Ive tried trying to keep the movement minimal, and then tried to sink it post O2-ing, with mixed and varied results..... I think prac is my only solution.

        Thanks for the tips!

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        • #5
          Re: Expobar Minore II Milk Texturing/Frothing Help

          since i have you expobar lovers on this thread...
          what are your quick thoughts on the leva/minoreII?
          i appreciate the differences in terms of hx v dua lboiler etc but wondering about overall performance?
          result in the cup?
          frame/shell quality?
          drain tray?
          steaming (with the no burn wand)?

          many thanks

          aaron

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          • #6
            Re: Expobar Minore II Milk Texturing/Frothing Help

            Yeeza - Full steam even with 300ml jug - YES!

            Aaron - I love the Minore II. Admittedly, I have not owned any other HX to compare, but I find it does a great job.
            The result in the cup - certainly enjoyable. Hard to find cafe that compares.
            Frame/shell quality - Very solid. SS all around. Around 25kg of machine.
            Drain tray - huge.
            Steaming with the cool touch wand - no problems. Good to excellent microfoam on most occasions.

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            • #7
              Re: Expobar Minore II Milk Texturing/Frothing Help

              Gday Aaron,

              Yeah as far as the shots go, Ive got them consistently DEADLY. I almost surprise myself every morning at how consistent the different profiles I can get out of one bean. Having the temp controller is a big +.

              I did a little do the other night and pulled about 45 coffees in a row, and I never once felt like it was struggling. In fact, as it went on, I felt that is where it really shined. That surprised me. I dont think you could do that too often though, but its good to know it can cope.

              I have had a play on a few other HX machines, all are capable of terrific shots, but I found it hard to get them consistent, something only REAL time on it could do.

              The Frame is super solid - 2mm Stainless Steel. Compare it to other prosumer machines and youll see the difference. As far as finish though, its probably not on top. The edges can be sharp in some places. It doesnt have the flashy angles and curves of some of the other Italian HXs, but Expobar and WLL, were definitely going function over form (but beauty is in the eye of the beholder ).

              The drip tray is the best. I can pretty much empty my 2.7L water container into it without it overflowing. The drip tray cover does lean on the flimsy side though - no real difference to others. A wire-esqe one would be better as the liquid can sit on it instead of flowing through (kinda like the floor drain in the bathroom). The cup tray can be a bit noisy if you dont have any weight (cups, tamper, pfs) on it. Thats an easy fix though.

              The no-burn steam wand is great. The only downside is that when you goto another machine that doesnt have one, you know about it Having both pressure guages is a help too, and the ease of adjusting the brew pressure without taking the hood off is tops.

              When it comes down to it, its great in the cup, great machine to play around with. For the price and the package you can hardly beat it. Depends what youre after though.

              YeeZa

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              • #8
                Re: Expobar Minore II Milk Texturing/Frothing Help

                thanks guys.
                v helpful. ive only had a look at a minoreII at a loca lshop. looks great and love the fact that its not hx so no water dance flushing etc.

                i have heard about the final fit and finish not being tops but dont know if this is way up high on my priorities list.

                i also like the adjustability ot the minoreII which is what i think i would go for.

                yeeza -
                DEADLY shots eh?
                id love to try one...should i increase my life insurance before i do?

                FB - re microfoam - have u played on other prosumers that were easier to obtain microfoam?

                thanks alot again

                aaron

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                • #9
                  Re: Expobar Minore II Milk Texturing/Frothing Help

                  Originally posted by roknee link=1206509781/0#7 date=1206582032
                  looks great and love the fact that its not hx so no water dance flushing etc.

                  yeeza -
                  DEADLY shots eh?
                  id love to try one...should i increase my life insurance before i do?
                  Aaron, it actually has a HX in it. Google The Brewtus Compendium and have a read of the pdf. Its a great description of how the Minore works. Instead of having to run a long cooling flush, flushing super-heated liquid, youre actually doing a shorter flush (than a normal cooling flush) to bring the grouphead up to temperature.

                  Yeah the shots are DEADLY haha. Deadly=v.v.v.v.v.excellent. (IMHO )

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                  • #10
                    Re: Expobar Minore II Milk Texturing/Frothing Help

                    Aaron -
                    Some time ago, I played around on the 3 group machines at William Angliss College, but I was just starting out with serious coffee at that stage, so its a bit hard to compare with now.

                    I havent really played with any other prosumers. The Minore II was very much an impulse buy to step up from a Silvia.

                    Have seen the Makin Maver and Giotto in use by other operators and both seemed to do a comparable job.

                    Brett.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Expobar Minore II Milk Texturing/Frothing Help

                      yeeza - yeah its a good review on home barista but i couldnt find the compendium in the users group!?

                      and thanks fb
                      did u get much out of going to WA tafe?
                      would u do an advanced one now or do u think it was only helpful back when u were younger and innocent(ish)?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Expobar Minore II Milk Texturing/Frothing Help

                        Originally posted by roknee link=1206509781/0#10 date=1206597187
                        yeeza - yeah its a good review on home barista but i couldnt find the compendium in the users group!?

                        PM me your email address and Ill email the pdf to you. Its a great read.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Expobar Minore II Milk Texturing/Frothing Help

                          Aaron,

                          I got a lot out of the day at WA, but a lot of it was to do with the fact that it was a specially put together day for the CS audience.

                          Chris from Talk Coffee ran it and sort of merged parts of a few different courses together.

                          I certainly thought it was worthwhile and helped my technique and understanding of how things work immensely.

                          Would I do another one? Probably not unless I was considering moving into the coffee/cafe/roasting business on a more full-time basis.

                          Brett.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Expobar Minore II Milk Texturing/Frothing Help

                            Actually, here it is in the Google group, down the bottom there:

                            http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus/files

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                            • #15
                              Re: Expobar Minore II Milk Texturing/Frothing Help

                              Ive had the Minore I for about 36 months now.  No problems and still going strong.

                              yes aesthetics are not as good as others and some of the edges could have been polished a little more. But as was mentioned before I think they went function over form in the design.

                              I did a descale of both boilers last year and started doing a writeup (just havent had time to finish it).  Internals are all pretty solid and look to be well put together.  better than a Grimac HX I have.

                              I have posted a couple of pictures of internals.  Sorry not the best, but the photos I took were more for the purpose of how I did the Descale.

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